Quebec Notaries – Sigh!

March 5, 2015

The other part of Quebec genealogical research is consulting the notaries. They are considered members of the legal profession in Quebec.

This article was rather helpful in explaining the difference between notaries in Quebec versus a notary public which most of us in the US are more familiar with:

What’s in a Namehttp://www.tradulex.com/Actes2000/StAubin.pdf

The notaries did the day-to-day legal business of the people of Quebec and kept logs of their transactions.  You will find various legal documents or instruments used:

1.  wills (testaments). The Notary can administer and estate without the formality of probate.

2. partage (family who will receive a share of the estate),

3. guardianship papers

4. donations (early wills)

5. engagements (early contracts – indentures)

6. deeds, mortgages, land transactions, transfers, leases

7. contracts

8. inventories

9.  marriages (early Quebec but not as much after 1800) contrats de mariage

10. and more…

Notary records are an important part of Quebec’s Civil law which resembles French Civil law.

The person involved in the transaction with a notary kept the original document while the notary made copies. The copies are called “minutes.”  The individual notaries archives are termed his “greffe.” If he goes out of business he sells his greffe to another notary or it is filed with the Prothonotary of the Judicial District where he served.  As time went on the Quebec government decide to collect them and they are supposed to go to the ANQ (Archives of Quebec/BAnQ) and to be placed in the branch ANQ that serves the appropriate judicial district.

These notarial acts are listed by name of the notary and the dates he functioned and not by the person involved in the contract.  Therefore, you have to identify the notary that was in the area you are researching and the dates he was active.

As you know counties changed and jurisdictions changed so you have to research the history of the area. Pontiac county was under Ottawa County in the early years and then under the Montreal district even earlier based on the Letters Patent that I have collected and studied.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_District

There are several publications that can be of help.

Here is the title page of a copy of an index I obtained of the notaries in the Pontiac area at the BAnQ in Gatineau in 2012.  The librarian at the BAnQ on Viger street in Montreal said it was good I had these pages.

Notaries listed

Notaries listed

Source:  Index des Lieux, et des Notaires 1621 to 1991, Jean-Marie Laliberte fc., Montreal, 1991.  The older version was Index des greffes des notaries decedes, 1645 to 1949 comp. Jean-Marie Laliberte (Qubec. B Pontbriand 1967).

Source:  Quintin, Robert J. The Notaries of French Canada, 1626–1900: Alphabetical, Chronologically, by Area Served. Pawtucket, Rhode Island, USA.: R. J. Quintin, 1994. (Family History Library book 971.4 N3n; film 1750788 item 120.)

Here is short summary of other options for finding Notaries:

1. The Online database at the BAnQ in Montreal is not complete.  It is an index with names and some of the documents for all regions of Quebec up to 1933.  For our purposes Hull and Pontiac are featured. You do have to browse.  It most indexes and some actual acts.

Database:  Archives des notaires due Quebec des origines a 1933, under Outaouais has the District of Hull, District de Pontiac and District de Labelle. Here is the link.

http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/notaires/index.html

For Pontiac there are two listed:

Mackay, Stephen-Alexandre no dates  CN702,S1 – Index only.

Pellerin, J.-Desire 1907-1924 CN702,S2 – Index only.

Hull had more names (18) and dates and the earliest are listed here:

Barsalou, Charles 1869-1895 CN701,S21 – Index and acts

Beaudin, Jean-Baptiste-Alphonse, 1874 to 1905 CN701,S2

Brayer dit Saint-Pierre, Julien, 1867-1913, CN701,S17, Repertoire chonologique and Index des noms.

Mackay, Francois-Samuel, 1845-1892, CN701,S10

I looked up these notaries in the BAnQ Pistard catalogue under Genealogy on their website and there are some with images of the indexes and more. This Pistard catalogue gives a detailed description of the holdings and where the notary operated.  The CN numer is the Pistard catalogue designation.

http://pistard.banq.qc.ca/unite_chercheurs/recherche_simple

2.  You might have to go to the BAnQ Centre in Gatineau to look at the documents. The librarian at the BAnQ in Montreal that they were all on microfilm but I am not sure about that?

https://www.banq.qc.ca/archives/entrez_archives/centres_archives/ca_outaouais.html

It has its own website:  Centre regional d’archives de L’Outaouais.

http://www.craoutaouais.ca/

I visited this archive in 2012 in Gatineau and if I was to go again this is what I suggest.  You can find my comments in my post about my visit there, just remember I was not happy.  I was also not as prepared as I am now.  I know a lot more.

My visit:  Ottawa and Gatineau, June 7, 2012

1.  Find a researcher who speaks French and go with them to this archive. This is an option.

2.  The person behind the counter did not speak English only French and he panicked when I visited.  I realized that he could read English so I wrote down what I wanted.  It worked.

3.  When you first enter you will be greeted by a volunteer who probably is with the genealogical society of the area.  Their focus is French Canadian genealogical research not English Quebec research.  If you have an English Quebec ancestor who married a French Canadian you could trace them and see what comes up?  The man who was there said he did all his research online and when I told him my ancestor was English he didn’t have a clue.  About 2 hours later another man came and he gave me a tour. So in all fairness they can be helpful.

http://genealogieoutaouais.com/

4.  I suggest that you take the control and ask them to show you where the lockers are, get you set up for parking permit and then show you the holdings by taking you around the research area and pointing out where things are and what is there.  It consists of their societies holdings and the BAnQ’s holdings.  Books are out in the research area.

5. Before you go study the BAnQ Pistard catalogue.  It has the holdings listed online by location and give you more details.

http://pistard.banq.qc.ca/unite_chercheurs/recherche_simple

6.  This archive is over along Hwy 148 off in Gatineau between Blvd. Greber and Blvd. de L’Hopital.  So make you look at the BAnQ website before you and get the correct address and do not Google it or you will get very confused and get the old Hull address.

7.  Ancestry.com has a searchable database: Quebec Notarial Records (Drouin Collection) 1647-1942 but I am have not figured out how to use it and it is browse only.

8.  Family history library as a how to but be careful I believe some of the links are out of date.

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Quebec_Notarial_Records

9.  Library and Archives has some in their collection: Fonds des greffes de notaires due Quebec you will have to decide if they are what you need.

http://thediscoverblog.com/2014/08/21/notarial-records/

10.  For the oldest notarial records 1635 to 1784 consult the Parchemin database available at BAnQ and some public libraries. The focus for indexes has been on the earlier years in Quebec covering the 1635 to about 1784.  The area of Pontiac was probably not settled till about 1830 per the newspaper article I shared in the post about the Ottawa Lumber kings.

Here are some books but they are getting old and so far I have not found an up-to-date guide on genealogy in Quebec, why is that?

 1.  The book French Canadian Sources, A Guide for Genealogists, Ancestry 2001 has a chapter on Notaries on page 167 which is more of an overview.  This book is helpful but focuses on the Quebecois and you need to know about this because a lot of our English (British Isles) married French Canadian. There is a nice list of French legal terms and definitions in the Notary chapter.  I found a copy at the Ottawa Public Library in 2012.  I now have my own copy.
2.  Finding Your Ancestors in English Quebec by Althea Douglas, MA, CG (C), Heritage Productions Book HC02, 2001.
This book is geared to the search for English in Quebec.  It is not very expensive and should be easy to get copies. I have seen these for sale at conferences. The Heritage Quest Research Library in Sumner, WA has these books and maybe they will sell you one?  http://www.hqrl.com/contactus.html

As I learn more about Quebec genealogical research I will continue to share my discoveries on this blog. There are a couple of websites I want to explore that I have learned about on my last trip there in 2012, see the Quebec Links on the right side of this blog.

There are other ways to learn about this subject and one is to go to the genealogical societies in the area and see if they can help.

UPDATE:  I have fixed the numbering system of the different suggestions sorry for the inconvenience.


Letters of Patent: John McDonald – Grand Calumet Island

February 26, 2015

When I was in Quebec in 2012, I visited the Grand Island of Calumet and it was lovely and I wish I had time to dally and explore.  I drove along the eastern road to the little town where a cemetery was located.

My post on this blog:  Calumet Island, Pontiac County, Quebec, June 14, 2012.

Here is an abstract of the Letters Patent for a John McDonald on Calumet Island:

Whereas it has been judged

John McDonell Letters Patent 1847

John McDonald Letters Patent 1847

expedient that for the price and consideration hereinafter mentioned, we should grant and convey to our loving subject John McDonald of the Township of Grand Calumet Island in our County of Ottawa.

Fiat: Enrolled in the Office of Enrollment at Montreal on Monday the Eighteeth day of January 1847 D. Daly Secy. 

Lot number Twelve in the First Range of the said township of Grand Calumet Island being an irregular lot bounded in front on the East by the Grand or Ottawa River and measuring ten Chains thirty four links more or less in perpendicular breath and containing about seventy nine acres of land more or less….

Witness Our Right Trusty and Right Well Beloved Cousin Lt. General The Right Honorable Charles Murray Earl Cathcart, of Cathcart in the County of Renfrew, K.C.B. Governor General of British North America and Captain General and Governor in and over Our Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Island of Prince Edward and Vice Admiral of the same and Commander of our Forces in British North America…in our City of Montreal the sixteenth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty seven and the tenth year of our Reign. D. Daly, Secy. 

Fiat Recorded in the Registrar’s Office of the Records, at Montreal the thirteeth day of January 1847 in the Fifth Register of Letters Patent of Land Sold, Letter E, Page. 396.

I have not studied the people who have settled on Grand Calumet Island so I don’t know who this particular John McDonald would be. There is no census for Grand Calumet in the 1851 Canadian Census that I can find.  He is probably a part of one of the families that I have posted about like the Lundie MacDonells and maybe The Ottawa Lumber Kings.  If anyone recognizes who this might be please comment.

Note:  If you read these Letters Patent you see that the area of Pontiac as we know it was first under the District of Montreal and sometime around 1845 it was referred to Ottawa County, Province of Canada. I find it very interesting the reference to the “Government House of Montreal.” Anyone know what this means?


Letters Patent: Alexander McDonell – Bristol Township, Pontiac Co., Quebec

February 19, 2015

Land was given to Alexander McDonnell who is buried in the St. Alexandre Dex Chenaux Cemetery in Clarendon. He was married to Janet MacDonell of Barrisdale. Could this be the grant that was given to him. Bristol and Clarendon are right next to each other.

Pontiac County Townships

Renfrew and Pontiac County Townships

Province of Lower Canada, Fiat Enrolled in the Register’s Office of Enrollment at Quebec on Monday, the Second day of November 1840.

Whereas it has been judged expedient by our Governor in Chief of our Province of Lower Canada…We should grant and convey to our loving subject Alexander McDonnell of the Township of Bristol in our District of Montreal. ..in consideration of the sum of nine hundred and ninety six pounds…

Lot number fifteen  in the Seventh range containing about two hundred acres, the South East half of the lot number six, in the eighth range of one hundred acres, the lots from number seven to number sixteen inclusion of two hundred acres each and Lot number Seventeen in the said eighth range containing on hundred and eighty-four acres, tho Lots from number three to number nine inclusion in the ninth range of two hundred acres each and the South West half of Lot number thirteen i the said ninth range of one hundred acres said Lots of half Lots 2 being in the Said Township of Bristol and containing together about three thousand nine hundred and eighty four acres of land. 

Entered in the Auditor’s Office, the Sixth day of November ____in Docket Book, R, pages 249, Signed T. [Bouthilice], Auditor. 

In Testimony whereof, we have caused these our Letters to be made Patent, and the Great Seal of our Province of Lower Canada to be hereunto affixed.

Witness our Trusty and well Beloved, The Right Honorable Charles Baron Sydenham of Sydenham in the County of Kent and Toronto in Canada, Governor General of a British North American, Captain General and Governor in Chief in and over our Province of Lower Canada and Upper Canada and Vice Admiral of the Same. 

At our Government House in our City of Montreal in our Said Province of Lower Canada the thirty first day of October in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and forty and in the Fourth year of our Reign. Signed D. Daly, Secy. C Sales, Folio 297.

A portion of the 1840 Patent for Alexander McDonnell in Bristol

A portion of the 1840 Patent for Alexander McDonnell in Bristol

Here is another Letters Patent for Alexander McDonell in Bristol in 1845.

Whereas it has been judged…Alexander McDonell of the Township of Bristol in the County of Ottawa….consideration of the sum of Fifty pounds…North East halves of Lots number sixteen and seventeen in the second range of the said Township of Bristol containing each about one hundred acres of land more of less. 

Witness our Right Trusty and well Beloved, The Right Honorable Charles Theophilus Baron Metcalfe of Fernhill in the County of Berks Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honorable Order of the Bath one of Our Most Honorable Privy Council Governor General of British North America and Captain General and Governor in Chief in and over Our Province of Canada Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the Island of Prince Edward and Vice General of the same..At our Government House in our city of Montreal…on the eleventh day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty-five and in the ninth year of our reign. D. Daly Secy. E Sales Folio 189.

See my post on this blog dated 21 November, 2014 “St-Alexandre Des Chenaux RC Cemetery…Clarendon Twp.” 


Letters Patent: Alexander John McDonald in 1883

February 12, 2015

I was also targeting Alexander John McDonnell in Chichester, he is a 2nd great-grandfather of mine.   The file number for this was 31-254_LP_001

Alexander J. McDonell Patent 1883

Alexander J. McDonell Patent 1883

Whereas Alexander J. McDonnell of the Township of Chichester, yeoman..for forty eight dollars and sixty cents….eighty one acres.

The Lot number Eleven in the First Range of the said Township of Chichester. That this grant is subject to the provisions of the Act 43 & 44, Citoria, Chapr, 12, entitled: The Quebec General Mining Act of 1880.” Recorded 4th May 1883, Signed by John Langelle Dep. Prov’l Regr.

Under the Great Seal Theodore Robitaille Lt-Gov. of Our Province of Quebec.

AT QUEBEC this Sixteenth day of April in the year of lord, one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three and in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign. By Commend Th. J. Jolicoeur Asst Secretary and E.E. Tachi Asst, Commission of Crown Lands.

This is not that early for Alexander John McDonnell.  He had earlier land patents dated 1862 and 1869. This is the only one I have at this time. See my spreadsheet in the post about Archibald’s Letters Patent.


Letters Patent: The Legal Representative of the late Angus J. McDonald

February 5, 2015

On my spreadsheet (PDF) that I shared in the last post regarding Archie’s Land Patents, there was a Letters patent for a Angus J. McDonald.  The file number of this was 35-44-LP-001.

Here is an abstract of this Letters Patent:

…the Legal representative of the late Angus J. McDonald in his lifetime of the Township of Chichester, yeoman…sum of fifty five dollars and twenty cents….ninety-two acres: The North end part or resident of the Lots numbered Twenty-five in the Second Range of the Township of Chichester aforesaid. Recorded 10th November, 1879 signed by John Languher, Dept. Provl. Reg. 

Great Seal Theodore Robitaille, Lt. Governor of our Province At Quebec this thirteeth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventy-nine and in the forty-third year of our Reign. Signed by Th. J. Jolicoeur Asst. Secretary, E.E. Tache, Asst, Commissioner of Crown Lands Ref No. 201311 cn

If this is the Angus John McDonald who died 21 May 1866 and was the first husband of Jeanette Catherine McDonell a daughter of Alexander John and Ellen McPherson McDonell then I am wondering where are other documents are about his estate and who is the legal representative? This document was issued 13 years after his death?  This means digging into the notarial records of Quebec.  This is the man that Duncan D. MacDonald thinks is the brother of my great grandmother Mary, which means my lineage is in question.  I choose to believe my great Aunt Nellie’s chart.

See the post:

Jeanette Catherine McDonell and her Two Marriages,” 20 March 2011.  You can either search for Jeanette or try the Archive boxes on the right of this blog.


Letters Patent: Archibald McDonell in Chichester

January 29, 2015

At first when I made my land petition spreadsheet, I just concentrated on Archibald and Alexander John McDonell’s land petitions.  However, as time has gone on I have added more to the spreadsheet.  I cannot claim it is complete but it is a good start. As for finding these letters of patent, I give credit to the researcher I hired who did the hard work of locating them at the online Quebec websites and at the BAnQ Vieux in Montreal.

Here is a Word.doc. of the Land Petitions I created.  I have focused on the McDonell surname and there are a few McPhersons in Pontiac County. (Click on it and it will open). This information was taken from the previous post on Land Records specifically in my list #1 Family History Library and #2 the Quebec Family History Society.

 Click here PDF:  BJ’s Land Grants Pontiac Co Quebec

On this spreadsheet are two Land Grants for my great-grandfather Archibald McDonald.

Here are the letters patent:

1. Archibald McDonald, Chichester, Pontiac, Sept. 1, 1868, 86 acres. 8, 103, 828.

A summary of this document which is written part in handwriting and part in a standardized form.

N.F. Belleau, Canada, Province of Quebec, To Whom those Presents shall come —GREETING, Whereas Archibald McDonald of the Township of Chichester, yeoman….sum of Fifty one dollars and Sixty-cents…eighty six acres, The Lot number Forty Three in the Third Range of the Township of Chichester, Recorded 8th September 1868, [M. Neilleur] Deputy Prov’l Reg’r…

Given under the great Seal at Quebec, this First day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight and in the thirty-second year of our Reign. Th, J. Jolicoeur, Asst. Secretary and J.O. Beaubein, Commissioner of Crown Lands. 

2. Archibald McDonald, Chichester, Pontiac, Oct. 26, 1883, 100 acres, 33, 180, 829

Archibald's 1883  Land

Archibald’s 1883 Land

A summary of what is in the document:

Theodore Robitaille  180

Canada:  Province of Quebec, To all to whom these presents shall come Greeting: Whereas Archibald McDonald of the Township of Chichester, In Our Province of Quebec, Yeoman, has contracted and agreed with Our Commissioner for the sale of Our Crown Lands, duly authorized by Us in this behalf, for the absolute purchase at and for the price or sum of thirty dollars, of lawful money….

Parcel or Tract of Land in the Township of Chichester in the County of Pontiac; One hundred acres.  

The Lot number Thirty-five, in the Second Range of the Township of Chichester aforesaid. *That this grant is subject to the provisions of the Act of 43 & 44, Victoria, Chap. 12, entitled “The Quebec General Mining Act of 1880.  Recorded 14th November 1883, John Langelar, Dept. Rov., Regr.  The Great Seal of …Theodore Robitaille, Lt, Governor of Our Province and member of the Privy Council for Canada, At Quebec this twenty-eight day of October one thousand eight hundred and eighty-three, in the forty-seventh year of Our Reign, By Command Th. J. Jolicoeur, Asst. Sec. and E.E. Tache, Asst Com. of Crown Lands, Ref. No. 21371 ch/cn. 

The copies that were sent to me have this information on the file document at the top left corner:

8-103 LP 001 This is for the Letters patent for 1868

33-180-LP-001 for the 1883 Letters patent.

This is what was on the second or third page.

What is on the next page of the letter patent

What is on the next page of the letter patent

I have not gone to the Foncier website and signed up to do searches at this time.  One of these days I will give it a try, remember it is a touchy system and you need the land description to search.   I am also wondering where the supporting documents are such as Archie’s initial application?

https://www.registrefoncier.gouv.qc.ca/Sirf/Script/14_06_01-02/pf_14_06_01_reglr.asp

If you are familiar with this website in Quebec please make a comment and share your experience.


Land Petitions for Pontiac County: A brief How To!

January 22, 2015

Quebec genealogy is a challenge and it has taken me a long time to understand it. I would not say I am an expert but somehow I manage to make progress. Genealogical research has improved in Quebec since I started in 1998 studying my Quebec ancestors.  A lot more is now online and on microfilm.

For some reason there is no updated or current book on how to do research in Quebec.  It is extremely difficult to navigate the websites at the archives to find what you are looking for, not to mention that some are only in French.

For translating the French to English, I find that if I open an online translator I can cut and paste the French words into it and get an idea of what they are referring to and then understand it better.

Here is a link to the Wiki at Family Search and if you scroll to the bottom you can find a list that might help with the French.

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/France_Language_and_Languages

This article which I have featured before was done several years ago and it focuses on Montreal genealogy.  It is all different now.

http://www.nnyacgs.com/beauregard.html

Book: Finding Your Ancestors in English Quebec, by Althea Douglas MA, CG (C), 2001 Book HC02 Heritage Productions.  This may be old at 2001 but still may give some idea of the sources in Quebec for genealogy.

Book: “Finding Your Canadian Ancestors, A Beginner’s Guide,” by Sherry Irvine and David Obee, Ancestry Publishing, 2006. This gives and overview of Quebec research.

Book: “Planning a Genealogical Trip to Montreal,” Paul LeCleric, BA, BSc. Book HC19 Heritage Productions, 2003.  This is helpful but he doesn’t say where to go to find the records.

LAND GRANTS

Today’s topic is land grants.  You can approach finding your ancestors by looking at the book form of the index or going to an online index.

Before I try to make some sense of it all, we need a little history of land in Quebec. There are three different land registration systems in Quebec.

LAND IN QUEBEC

1.  Seigneury 1626-1795 and discontinued in 1854 and tenants could claim their land (Seigneurial Tenures Act of 1854). Land would be granted to a land owner and they would in turn rent to tenants. They were usually established along major waterways. These are with the BAnQ and its research centres and in the Parchemin Notarial database 1626-1794 at the BAnQ.

This article about seigneuries at Canada in the Making is very good.

http://www.canadiana.ca/citm/themes/pioneers/pioneers3_e.html#seigneurial

Chronicles of American also a good article on seigneuries:

http://www.chroniclesofamerica.com/french/seigneur_of_new_france.htm

Richard Colebrook Harris’s book: The Seigneurial System in Early Canada, A Geographical Study is on online at Google Books as a preview.

A good use of the Google search engine can bring up a lot of history of the seigneury system in Quebec.  I have yet to find a listing of who own them through the years.  Can anyone help me, if so leave a comment and link.

2.  Township 1763 – 1890 this did not replace the seigneury and are the Upper and Lower Land Grants and Letters Patent.

My patents were obtained by Danny Bouchard a member of APG and the researcher whom I hired to help me get ready for my first trip to Ontario and Quebec in 2012.  He obtained these from the Ministry of Justice:

http://www.lettresfoncieres.justice.gouv.qc.ca/fr/pages/presentation.html

Danny writes: The Registre Foncier is the land registry and it is run by the Ministry of Natural Resources. It is quite complex and not user-friendly and goes back to about 1841.  The database is very picky to use and you must have the exact location of the land to find your ancestor. This is a government website and it is not free.

3. Cadastral started 1830 and is currently being used.  I visited Campbell’s Bay’s Palais du Justice on my trip in 2012 and was given land records back to 1900 for several people. I was trying to get back into the 1800’s and discovered to late that the clerk only got me back to 1900. I may have to go for those records at the Land Registry site which I have yet to conquer. However, based on an email from Danny I think he had the same problem?

He writes again: For some reason the indexes don’t go back that far. I ran the Lot 43, Range 3 as well and the records start in late 1890’s early 1900’s and go to 1978.

http://www.mern.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/index.jsp

Very interesting and helpful.

http://www.mern.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/registre-systeme.jsp

Go here and scroll down to Quebec Land records for more details at the Quebec Family History Society: http://www.qfhs.ca/facts.php

QUEBEC TIMELINE

The next piece of information is the timeline of Quebec, Canada which covers the different governmental definitions of Canada and you may have to get maps in the different time periods to figure out where your ancestor was located.

Era of Exploration 1508-1613

Colony of Canada 1534-1763 – French Regime

Colony of Quebec 1763-1791 – When Quebec became British.

Lower Canada 1791-1841 was Quebec but boundaries changed.

Canada East 1841-1867 again it was Quebec but watch the boundaries.

Confederation – Province of Quebec 1867 to Present

Note:  See Wikipedia for definitions and timelines in more detail. Remember that the St. Lawrence River flows northeast and that is why you have the Upper (Ontario) and Lower (Quebec) designations.

FINDING LAND PETITIONS IN QUEBEC which lead to the Letters of Patent.

Here is a quick list of ways to find Land grants read all first and then decide on a strategy for your ancestor.  You need the name, page, volume and other information in order to obtain the Letters of patent.

1.  In book form and on microfilm at the Family History Library: List of Land Grant by the Crown in the Province of Quebec from 1763 to 31st December 1890, Argenteuil Co. – Huntington Co., FHL#413121 and Joliette Co.- Yamaska Co., Districts of Quebec, Montreal Alpha Index FHL#413122.  Note these are by geographical area.

I pulled the one for Pontiac County on FHL#413122, Quebec and took photos of what is the photographed book index listing which includes: Name of grantee, number of lots granted, ranges, number of acres, date of letters-patent, Book and page.  It is one way to identify where your ancestor lived and is like a census for it shows the whole township with names.

Beginning of Chichester, Land Grant Index

Beginning of Chichester, Land Grant Index

The Family History Library has more about land records this is just the start scroll to Land: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=305&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Canada%2C%20Quebec%22

2.  The Quebec Family History Society, in Pointe Claire, Quebec has booklets by alphabet for about $10.00 (2001). Alphabetical Index to the Land Grants by the Crown in the Province of Quebec from 1763 to 31 December 1890. Of course I ordered Booklet M for McDonell and its various spellings. They have a Land Grants database for members only at their library in Pointe-Claire, Quebec.  Wow, I ordered this like 10 years ago.  I still have it.

Booklet: Land Grants by Alphabetical

Booklet: Land Grants by Alphabetical

Here is the post I wrote about my visit to this archive.

Quebec Wanderings: The Quebec Family History Society,” October 2, 2014.

Here is a link on how to research land in Quebec at the QFHS and how to do a pre (before 1867) and post-Confederation Land patent (before 1867) which is very important for Pontiac County.

http://www.qfhs.ca/cpage.php?pt=110

You can get copies of pre-Confederation Letters Patent in person from microfilms at the BAnQ Montreal Archives Centre, 535 avenue Viger est, or by email request to archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca.

The group of post-Confederation letters patent can be found in person at the BAnQ Quebec City Archives Centre, 1012 avenue du Séminaire or by email request to archives.quebec@banq.qc.ca.  

I am not totally convinced this is the correct the address above for post-confederation letters of patent.  There has been a lot of change in Quebec over the last 16 years and things have been consolidated and moved around. Based on Danny’s emails and the fact that the stamp of the Minister of Justice is on my copies of the Letters Patent that he obtained for me I think they are at the Minister of Justice website?

This website of the Federation Genealogical of Quebec may be of help as well.

http://federationgenealogie.qc.ca/sources/archives-foncieres/reperage-des-informations-foncieres

This looks helpful at Open Library:

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24590742M/Liste_des_terrains_conc%C3%A9d%C3%A9s_par_la_couronne_dans_la_province_de_Qu%C3%A9bec_de_1763_au_31_d%C3%A9cembre_1890

3.  Library and Archives Canada has a Land Petitions Index of Lower Canada (Quebec) from 1764 to 1841 online at:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-lower-canada-1764-1841/Pages/land-petitions-lower-canada.aspx

The index allows you to search using the various spellings of a surname and in my case it is:

MacDonald/McDonell/McDonald/MacDonnell/MacDonell.

The online index gives name, surname, date and some may or may not show an image with lots of pages, I read somewhere it was about 25%.

The unfortunate part is that it only goes up to 1841 and this does not really cover the Pontiac area unless they came before that date.

Don’t forget that they have an index for the Land Petitions for Upper Canada (Ontario) 1763-1865.   This means you need to check for those who settled in Renfrew County and more.  Don’t assume your ancestor has land only in one area, township or province and look out for group petitions.

The Library and Archives Canada has changed their website a great deal since 2012 when I was planning my first trip to Canada.  To find the land records, I would click on Discover the Collection, then click on Genealogy & Family History and it takes you to another menu where you can select what you want.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Pages/home.aspx

Here is the link directly to the Land information on the Library and Archives website.  From here you can familiarize yourself with the different selections.  Sorry but you are going to have to study it carefully so go slowly.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/Pages/land-records.aspx

I visited this archive in 2012 and you can find my post about that experience on this blog. “Ottawa: Libraries and Archives Canada!,” June 12, 2012.

4.  Ancestry.com has under Quebec an index of the Land Grants: Quebec, Canada Land Grants 1763-1890.  This index is a little easier to search and is like the information in No. 1 and 2 above. You can search on all names and not be restricted to a section of the alphabet.  I do not know what Ancestry for Canada has but I assume it is the same?

Original data: Robert Dunn and Derek Hopkins, comp. Alphabetical Index to the Land Grants by the Crown in the province of Quebec from 1763 to 31st December 1890. Pointe Claire, Quebec: Quebec Family History Society, 2005.

The original records and microfilm copies are available at the Bibliothèque et Archives nationalies du Québec. Requests for microfilm copies should include the full reference to the book and page (found in the source citation for the record). Requests should be addressed to: Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, 1012, avenue du Séminaire, CP 10450, Sainte-Foy, QC, G1V 4N1. 

Okay, I get it Sainte-Foy is part of Quebec City, no wonder I am confused for this is still a slight difference in the address for the BAnQ Quebec City.

Here is the address Danny gave me for the documents he was seeking for land.

A. par courier: Direction des registres et de la certification

Registre des lettres patnetes foncieres 1 rue Notre-Dame Est, bureau 7.07, Montreal, Quebec H2Y 186.  Montreal: 514 864-5764, Quebec 418 528-5764.  If you speak French you might be able to figure this out.

Example in the written alpha list: In searching for Archibald McDonell in the Ancestry index, I find one of his patents: Name, location Chichester, Pontiac, Acres 86, Letters Patent Date: 1 Sep 1868. The source citation below reads Letters Patent Book, 8, pg. 103, County Index Vol. 1, page 828. 

5.  The BAnQ in Montreal at 535 Viger Street (Old Montreal) has indexes to, and copies of land petitions which are also available on microfilm at their archive centres (Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec: www.banq.qc.ca.)  Be prepared for the website to be in French.  I have my translator on so it moves to English. I visited the BAnQ briefly and wish I had stayed longer.  It is a wonderful archive.

In finding what is where at the BAnQ I would go to the Pistard search. This is under the Genealogy section of the website.  You go to the website click on Collections, then choose Genealogie and it takes you to two catalogue searches.  You can use the advanced to narrow things down.

My post on my visit to the BAnQ in Montreal: “Quebec Wanderings: Montreal and the BAnQ,” October 4, 2014.  I should have dallied but maybe I will go back?

In the next posts I will share what Land Petitions I have.


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