Land Petitions for Pontiac County: A brief How To!

January 22, 2015

Quebec genealogy is a challenge and it has taken me a long time to understand it. I would not say I am an expert but somehow I manage to make progress. Genealogical research has improved in Quebec since I started in 1998 studying my Quebec ancestors.  A lot more is now online and on microfilm.

For some reason there is no updated or current book on how to do research in Quebec.  It is extremely difficult to navigate the websites at the archives to find what you are looking for, not to mention that some are only in French.

For translating the French to English, I find that if I open an online translator I can cut and paste the French words into it and get an idea of what they are referring to and then understand it better.

Here is a link to the Wiki at Family Search and if you scroll to the bottom you can find a list that might help with the French.

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/France_Language_and_Languages

This article which I have featured before was done several years ago and it focuses on Montreal genealogy.  It is all different now.

http://www.nnyacgs.com/beauregard.html

Book: Finding Your Ancestors in English Quebec, by Althea Douglas MA, CG (C), 2001 Book HC02 Heritage Productions.  This may be old at 2001 but still may give some idea of the sources in Quebec for genealogy.

Book: “Finding Your Canadian Ancestors, A Beginner’s Guide,” by Sherry Irvine and David Obee, Ancestry Publishing, 2006. This gives and overview of Quebec research.

Book: “Planning a Genealogical Trip to Montreal,” Paul LeCleric, BA, BSc. Book HC19 Heritage Productions, 2003.  This is helpful but he doesn’t say where to go to find the records.

LAND GRANTS

Today’s topic is land grants.  You can approach finding your ancestors by looking at the book form of the index or going to an online index.

Before I try to make some sense of it all, we need a little history of land in Quebec. There are three different land registration systems in Quebec.

LAND IN QUEBEC

1.  Seigneury 1626-1795 and discontinued in 1854 and tenants could claim their land (Seigneurial Tenures Act of 1854). Land would be granted to a land owner and they would in turn rent to tenants. They were usually established along major waterways. These are with the BAnQ and its research centres and in the Parchemin Notarial database 1626-1794 at the BAnQ.

This article about seigneuries at Canada in the Making is very good.

http://www.canadiana.ca/citm/themes/pioneers/pioneers3_e.html#seigneurial

Chronicles of American also a good article on seigneuries:

http://www.chroniclesofamerica.com/french/seigneur_of_new_france.htm

Richard Colebrook Harris’s book: The Seigneurial System in Early Canada, A Geographical Study is on online at Google Books as a preview.

A good use of the Google search engine can bring up a lot of history of the seigneury system in Quebec.  I have yet to find a listing of who own them through the years.  Can anyone help me, if so leave a comment and link.

2.  Township 1763 – 1890 this did not replace the seigneury and are the Upper and Lower Land Grants and Letters Patent.

My patents were obtained by Danny Bouchard a member of APG and the researcher whom I hired to help me get ready for my first trip to Ontario and Quebec in 2012.  He obtained these from the Ministry of Justice:

http://www.lettresfoncieres.justice.gouv.qc.ca/fr/pages/presentation.html

Danny writes: The Registre Foncier is the land registry and it is run by the Ministry of Natural Resources. It is quite complex and not user-friendly and goes back to about 1841.  The database is very picky to use and you must have the exact location of the land to find your ancestor. This is a government website and it is not free.

3. Cadastral started 1830 and is currently being used.  I visited Campbell’s Bay’s Palais du Justice on my trip in 2012 and was given land records back to 1900 for several people. I was trying to get back into the 1800’s and discovered to late that the clerk only got me back to 1900. I may have to go for those records at the Land Registry site which I have yet to conquer. However, based on an email from Danny I think he had the same problem?

He writes again: For some reason the indexes don’t go back that far. I ran the Lot 43, Range 3 as well and the records start in late 1890’s early 1900’s and go to 1978.

http://www.mern.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/index.jsp

Very interesting and helpful.

http://www.mern.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/registre-systeme.jsp

Go here and scroll down to Quebec Land records for more details at the Quebec Family History Society: http://www.qfhs.ca/facts.php

QUEBEC TIMELINE

The next piece of information is the timeline of Quebec, Canada which covers the different governmental definitions of Canada and you may have to get maps in the different time periods to figure out where your ancestor was located.

Era of Exploration 1508-1613

Colony of Canada 1534-1763 – French Regime

Colony of Quebec 1763-1791 – When Quebec became British.

Lower Canada 1791-1841 was Quebec but boundaries changed.

Canada East 1841-1867 again it was Quebec but watch the boundaries.

Confederation – Province of Quebec 1867 to Present

Note:  See Wikipedia for definitions and timelines in more detail. Remember that the St. Lawrence River flows northeast and that is why you have the Upper (Ontario) and Lower (Quebec) designations.

FINDING LAND PETITIONS IN QUEBEC which lead to the Letters of Patent.

Here is a quick list of ways to find Land grants read all first and then decide on a strategy for your ancestor.  You need the name, page, volume and other information in order to obtain the Letters of patent.

1.  In book form and on microfilm at the Family History Library: List of Land Grant by the Crown in the Province of Quebec from 1763 to 31st December 1890, Argenteuil Co. – Huntington Co., FHL#413121 and Joliette Co.- Yamaska Co., Districts of Quebec, Montreal Alpha Index FHL#413122.  Note these are by geographical area.

I pulled the one for Pontiac County on FHL#413122, Quebec and took photos of what is the photographed book index listing which includes: Name of grantee, number of lots granted, ranges, number of acres, date of letters-patent, Book and page.  It is one way to identify where your ancestor lived and is like a census for it shows the whole township with names.

Beginning of Chichester, Land Grant Index

Beginning of Chichester, Land Grant Index

The Family History Library has more about land records this is just the start scroll to Land: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=305&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Canada%2C%20Quebec%22

2.  The Quebec Family History Society, in Pointe Claire, Quebec has booklets by alphabet for about $10.00 (2001). Alphabetical Index to the Land Grants by the Crown in the Province of Quebec from 1763 to 31 December 1890. Of course I ordered Booklet M for McDonell and its various spellings. They have a Land Grants database for members only at their library in Pointe-Claire, Quebec.  Wow, I ordered this like 10 years ago.  I still have it.

Booklet: Land Grants by Alphabetical

Booklet: Land Grants by Alphabetical

Here is the post I wrote about my visit to this archive.

Quebec Wanderings: The Quebec Family History Society,” October 2, 2014.

Here is a link on how to research land in Quebec at the QFHS and how to do a pre (before 1867) and post-Confederation Land patent (before 1867) which is very important for Pontiac County.

http://www.qfhs.ca/cpage.php?pt=110

You can get copies of pre-Confederation Letters Patent in person from microfilms at the BAnQ Montreal Archives Centre, 535 avenue Viger est, or by email request to archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca.

The group of post-Confederation letters patent can be found in person at the BAnQ Quebec City Archives Centre, 1012 avenue du Séminaire or by email request to archives.quebec@banq.qc.ca.  

I am not totally convinced this is the correct the address above for post-confederation letters of patent.  There has been a lot of change in Quebec over the last 16 years and things have been consolidated and moved around. Based on Danny’s emails and the fact that the stamp of the Minister of Justice is on my copies of the Letters Patent that he obtained for me I think they are at the Minister of Justice website?

This website of the Federation Genealogical of Quebec may be of help as well.

http://federationgenealogie.qc.ca/sources/archives-foncieres/reperage-des-informations-foncieres

This looks helpful at Open Library:

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24590742M/Liste_des_terrains_conc%C3%A9d%C3%A9s_par_la_couronne_dans_la_province_de_Qu%C3%A9bec_de_1763_au_31_d%C3%A9cembre_1890

3.  Library and Archives Canada has a Land Petitions Index of Lower Canada (Quebec) from 1764 to 1841 online at:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/land-petitions-lower-canada-1764-1841/Pages/land-petitions-lower-canada.aspx

The index allows you to search using the various spellings of a surname and in my case it is:

MacDonald/McDonell/McDonald/MacDonnell/MacDonell.

The online index gives name, surname, date and some may or may not show an image with lots of pages, I read somewhere it was about 25%.

The unfortunate part is that it only goes up to 1841 and this does not really cover the Pontiac area unless they came before that date.

Don’t forget that they have an index for the Land Petitions for Upper Canada (Ontario) 1763-1865.   This means you need to check for those who settled in Renfrew County and more.  Don’t assume your ancestor has land only in one area, township or province and look out for group petitions.

The Library and Archives Canada has changed their website a great deal since 2012 when I was planning my first trip to Canada.  To find the land records, I would click on Discover the Collection, then click on Genealogy & Family History and it takes you to another menu where you can select what you want.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Pages/home.aspx

Here is the link directly to the Land information on the Library and Archives website.  From here you can familiarize yourself with the different selections.  Sorry but you are going to have to study it carefully so go slowly.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/land/Pages/land-records.aspx

I visited this archive in 2012 and you can find my post about that experience on this blog. “Ottawa: Libraries and Archives Canada!,” June 12, 2012.

4.  Ancestry.com has under Quebec an index of the Land Grants: Quebec, Canada Land Grants 1763-1890.  This index is a little easier to search and is like the information in No. 1 and 2 above. You can search on all names and not be restricted to a section of the alphabet.  I do not know what Ancestry for Canada has but I assume it is the same?

Original data: Robert Dunn and Derek Hopkins, comp. Alphabetical Index to the Land Grants by the Crown in the province of Quebec from 1763 to 31st December 1890. Pointe Claire, Quebec: Quebec Family History Society, 2005.

The original records and microfilm copies are available at the Bibliothèque et Archives nationalies du Québec. Requests for microfilm copies should include the full reference to the book and page (found in the source citation for the record). Requests should be addressed to: Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, 1012, avenue du Séminaire, CP 10450, Sainte-Foy, QC, G1V 4N1. 

Okay, I get it Sainte-Foy is part of Quebec City, no wonder I am confused for this is still a slight difference in the address for the BAnQ Quebec City.

Here is the address Danny gave me for the documents he was seeking for land.

A. par courier: Direction des registres et de la certification

Registre des lettres patnetes foncieres 1 rue Notre-Dame Est, bureau 7.07, Montreal, Quebec H2Y 186.  Montreal: 514 864-5764, Quebec 418 528-5764.  If you speak French you might be able to figure this out.

Example in the written alpha list: In searching for Archibald McDonell in the Ancestry index, I find one of his patents: Name, location Chichester, Pontiac, Acres 86, Letters Patent Date: 1 Sep 1868. The source citation below reads Letters Patent Book, 8, pg. 103, County Index Vol. 1, page 828. 

5.  The BAnQ in Montreal at 535 Viger Street (Old Montreal) has indexes to, and copies of land petitions which are also available on microfilm at their archive centres (Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec: www.banq.qc.ca.)  Be prepared for the website to be in French.  I have my translator on so it moves to English. I visited the BAnQ briefly and wish I had stayed longer.  It is a wonderful archive.

In finding what is where at the BAnQ I would go to the Pistard search. This is under the Genealogy section of the website.  You go to the website click on Collections, then choose Genealogie and it takes you to two catalogue searches.  You can use the advanced to narrow things down.

My post on my visit to the BAnQ in Montreal: “Quebec Wanderings: Montreal and the BAnQ,” October 4, 2014.  I should have dallied but maybe I will go back?

In the next posts I will share what Land Petitions I have.


Alexander John MacDonell and Ellen McPherson lineage

December 12, 2014

Alexander JohnMacDonell settled in the Chichester and Allumette area of the Upper Ottawa River area.  His wife Ellen Mc/MacPherson is probably buried there but I have not found her gravesite.

MacDonell's Lundie Chart 13

MacDonell’s Lundie Chart 13

Chart 13, Sheet 5 of Duncan D. MacDonald’s Part IV book of genealogical charts gives Alexander John’s ancestry as:

Donald MacDonell

Archibald MacDonell – see Chart 218

Findlay MacDonell

*John Ban MacDonell

Alexander John MacDonald = Ellen MacPherson

(note on chart: from 7 – Beckwith Twp. Lot 3)

Mr. MacDonald does not give any lineage for Ellen.  However, with the reference to Beckwith Twp. I spent a lot of time studying the cemeteries in that area trying to find a burial for her.  I am still looking.

The other interesting thing is that on Aunt Nellie’s chart at the top she has written Alexander (Ban) MacDonald.  See the posts I have written about Nellie’s charts on this blog.  Just put her name in the search engine on the side and you should find them easily.

Mr. MacDonald’s Chart 218 is on pages 635 to 637 of Part IV the book of genealogical charts.

Chart 218 a piece

Chart 218 a piece

It reads the same but the focus stops at Findlay and his family – children.

Donald MacDonald (MacDonell)

Archibald – descendants are listed

Findlay (Tualidh)

b. 1751 died Aug 25, 1843 92 years of age Chart 218

Chart 297 it reads 1751 to Aug 24, 1848

*Archibald Roy MacDonell =

m. Annie MacDonell daughter of Angus R. MacDonell (fought at Battle of Culloden) & Janet MacDonald

This Archibald Roy is noted as “The Banker” see Chart 297 and Lot 4 – 9 Charlottenburg (Green Valley) Indian Lands.

Archibald Roy an Annie have two children on this Chart 218 and on Chart 297 six more children are added.

1. Alexander Roy (Archibald) MacDonald b. 1788 died 18 Dec 1839 age 51  (Death Diary) m. Isabella MacLellan and again see Chart 297.

2, John Roy MacDonald b. 1786 died 10 Mar 1861 age 75, m. Sally (Sarah) MacDonald, Lot 13 – 3 Kenyon.  He is noted as a Church Elder who took the 1839 Census of Kenyon for the Church.

John Roy and Sally (Sarah) MacDonald had Catherine, Duncan, Angus, Ranald R., John, Archibald, Mary.

*This is implying that Archibald Roy MacDonell who married Annie is a brother to John Roy/Ban MacDonald father of my Alexander John MacDonell?

I have to admit reading Mr. MacDonald’s charts is hard business I can’t figure out sometimes if the dates are for the person below or above. I find I have to study them several times before I feel I understand what is meant.  Lines are not connected and there are sort of bumps curving over other lines. The other problem is the lack of sources so you do have to use charts like this as road maps and find those original records to back them up.

Anyway I will let this all “percolate” on the back burner of my mind and study it further.


Ottawa Lumber Kings — Alexander & Janet (Young) McDonell

December 6, 2014

Years ago Elaine sent me a newspaper from Chapeau and in that newspaper was a very interesting article about early settlers in the Chapeau and Chichester area.  Elaine would be interested in the Jewell Family and me, well I was interested in the MacDonnell Brothers that the article shared about.  Elaine is the author of the book about the deaths and burials of the St. Alphonsus Catholic Church in Chapeau and a Burns descendant.

Early Settlers...

Early Settlers…

This article mentions MacDonnell brothers who had settled at Sand Point and I became curious.  In the article above it mentions Alexander MacDonnell at Sand Point, Colin at Birchell’s du Fort*, Rory on Calumet Island and John on Allumette Island.

So in 2012, I drove into Arnprior through all the construction and found my way to the Archives which are in the basement of the public library in the middle of town. Here is the post I wrote.

Arnprior, Renfrew County, Ontario: Archives,”June 15, 2012.

After I spent several hours gathering information, I headed out and visited the Albert Street Cemetery which over a few blocks towards the Ottawa River.  This is where Alexander and Janet (Young) MacDonell were buried. On his tombstone the name is spelled McDonell.

Arnprior: Albert Street Cemetery!” June 15, 2012

Arnprior-Braeside Archives: http://www.adarchives.org/index.html

I have learned that this cemetery may have been called “Inchbuie” cemetery in the past.

To find the graves in this cemetery you can go to the website of the Grave Marker Gallery for Ontario select Eastern Ontario then Renfrew County, and then scroll down to McNab and Braeside for those cemeteries and further for the Town of Arnprior  which has pictures for the Albert Street Cemetery and click on Block A.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~murrayp/renfrew/index.htm

Duncan Darby MacDonald in his Book of Charts Part IV, Chart 13 the Lundie MacDonells has the brothers listed in the above article as sons of the Alexander and Janet MacDonell (1754 to 1847 both lifespans) who are buried in the St. Alexandre De Chenaux Cemetery in Clarendon Twp., Pontiac Co., Quebec that I posted about in the previous post on this blog!

To find this cemetery you need to go the Grave Marker website choose Quebec, then Pontiac and then scroll down to Clarendon Twp. which is across from Sand Point on the Quebec side of the Ottawa River.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cangmg/quebec/pontiac/index.htm

Here is the source information for Duncan D. MacDonald’s book of genealogical charts.

Source: A collection of genealogical charts  Part-IV, 3rd Edition, ISBN O-921133-39-1.  Much of the earlier work done by Daniel F. McDonald of Bristol, Conn and other members of his family at Bridgend (Stone Villa) Lancaster.  A second edition was published in 1988 and the 3rd in 1993.  FHL#971.37 D2, book only.  

There are 15 pages for Chart 13.  I refer to Chart 13, Sheet – 3 page 724, Sheet 3-A page 725, Sheet 3-B page 726, Sheet 3-C page 727 Ancestors and Descendants of Alexander & Janet MacDonell, Sheet 3-D page 728, Sheet 3-E, page 729.

In these pages Duncan has pictures of Alexander’s home in Sand Point. I have seen the beautiful brick house up against a hill overlooking the Ottawa River and was surprised it was set back so far.  Duncan further shares about Alexander’s businesses with photos and more stories.

Ottawa Region - Canadian Government

Ottawa Region – Canadian Government

The above map is the best I can do to capture the Ottawa River and the area we are talking about. Click on it and it will get larger.  You can find Sand Point at the bottom right, Sheenboro is at the top left behind the blue control which does not work on this map because it is a jpg.  If you look hard enough you can find Calumet Island by finding Bryson on the Quebec side and go northwest. Allumette Island find Chapeau and Pembroke.  This is a topo from the Canadian Government website.

These MacDonnell brothers were called the Otttawa River MacDonnells or Lumber Kings of the Ottawa River at Sand Point.

Once again we get variations in the spelling of the surname depending on the author: MacDonell, MacDonnell, and McDonnell so be aware.

Alexander MacDonnell who married Janet Young and settled at Sand Point (Renfrew County) is referred to as the King of the Four Rivers:

He would bring the lumber down these rivers to the Ottawa River or he did a great deal of exploring of the area and rivers for lumber. This Alexander and Janet are buried in the Albert Street Cemetery in Arnprior, Ontario (1795 to 1896 both lifespans).

According to Duncan Darby MacDonald his Chart 13, Sheet 3-A page 725 he writes:

“Of the 11 brothers 6 are reported to have gone to make their mark on the “Ottawa.””  

So Alexander and Janet MacDonell natives of Knoydart, Scotland (Inverness) had the following children according to Sheets 3 and 3-A, Chart 13, Part IV. There are differences between the two sheets like the order of the children.

Children:

  1. **Archibald, m. Anna MacMillan sheet 3-B, Chart 13
  2. Hugh m. Margaret MacLean, Chart 168, Sheets 4-12 also Chart 13, sheet 3.
  3. **Angus Mor had a son James.
  4. Ronald (drowned) – He is the one buried with them in St. Alexandre Cemetery but remember there are only 3 identified burials out of a possible 100, lost.
  5. Dougald
  6. Little Alexander – This might be Alexander Roderick who died in 1851 and is buried in the family plot of the Albert Street Cemetery?
  7. **James m. Christine MacDonald, see sheet 3 of Chart 13
  8. Rory
  9. John – see sheet 3-C and 3-E of Chart 13 Calumet and Allumette Islands. This would be the John who married Flora McKinnon and then Flora McLellan. Flora McLellan and John MacDonell were the parents of Janet who married Ronald/Ranald son of Alexander John MacDonell and Ellen McPherson see sheet 5, Chart 13 page 734.  This is the chart I dispute in my post dated November 6, 2014 of this blog regarding the parentage of Mary married to Archibald.
  10. Sam – Portage du Fort
  11. Coll of Colin – 1000 acres at *Birch’s Creek, Quebec of Les Chats
  12. Penelope m. Dr. John Judge – First doctor in Pembroke, see sheet 3
  13. Alexander and (Agnes) Janet Young – Big Alex – see sheets 3, 3-A, 3-C King of the Four rivers, buried in Arnprior.
**Angus, Archie and James stayed in the Glengarry area of Ontario per the sources I have. On another source a Mary and Janet are listed – total of 15 children?
The order of the children is also different based on the 1815 emigration information at this website:  French, Scottish, Irish, German and English families of James and Deborah McDonald:  http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ranaldthecalf&id=I17291

There is disagreement as to how many sons there actually where, some believe there were 12; you can see that I have 13 children listed.

When I visited Arnprior in 2012, I collected articles about this Alexander MacDonnell who settled at Sand Point (above Arnprior) on the Ottawa River.

Source: History of Early Ottawa, from the Ottawa Journal dated Saturday, February 7, 1925, by a H.R. Morgan. Copied from a newspaper article in the files of the Arnprior & District Museum by James E. Isbester, 1987. About nine typed pages of which I only copied some.  

Sand Point – vanished and all but forgotten is the prominence which it enjoyed at the time when it was the western terminus of the Canada Central and Brockville and Ottawa Railroads, when it was the gateway to the Upper Ottawa region and when practically all the trade and traffic destined for that area passed through its depots and warehouses.”

Alexander McDonell and the family to which he belonged…where fishermen in their native Scotland…they emigrated in 1815 and established themselves in the Township of Drummond, not far from Perth. After the lapse of a few years, the great portion of the family left that neighborhood and betook themselves to Glengarry…whence the final move to Sand Point was made by six of the sons and two the daughters.

Alexander apparently did not take at all kindly to the primitive method of agriculture which obtained in Drummond and at an early age entered the lumbering trade upon the river Trent, when he drifted to the Ottawa. There he gained further experience and carried on a great deal of exploration. Perth was at this period the commercial metropolis of the district, and it was upon his visits to that town that he fell in with Chief McNab and the latter’s suggestion about the year 1824, accompanied him as guide upon his trip to the Ottawa to choose a site for his memorable colony of Highlanders.  This is not the Township of McNab.  http://clan-macnab.com/the-notorious-chief/

Entering the lumbering trade:

It was not long after this that Alexander McDonell embarked upon lumber in his own behalf and his first raft of red pine timber was made from trees cut down immediately in rear of the place which he had decided upon as his future abode. This was Sand Point where he cleared a farm, built a dwelling house and remained until the time of his death. 

This article goes on to describes his interactions with the Indians and the Hudson’s Bay Company to bring timber down the Bonnechere. His exploration of the rivers in the area. The article states the government introduced timber licensing and in 1826-27 McDonell made the first raft of red pine timber ever taken from Mud Lake upon the Bonnechere.

In 1830, in Montreal, Mr. McDonell was married to Miss Janet Young, sister of the Hon. John Young, and not long afterwards a new house was built. 

Here is another source I found that has some interesting information:

Source:  Sand Point, Ontario c. 1824 to 1994, by Dalton Appleby 6/4/1994. Not sure how many pages for this manuscript but it may be a good 10. I copied some but not all. 

What is presented here is a brief summary of the above source found at the Arnprior-Braeside Archives in Arnprior which is fairly detailed.

The village of Sand Point, is situated six miles west of Arnprior, at Concession XIII, Lots 18 & 19 in the Township of McNab, Renfrew County. It is on the south shore of Chats Lake on the mighty Ottawa River.

It got its beginning, long before roads, railways and telephones existed west of Ottawa, in the 1820’s. Alexander MacDonnell a Scotsman from Glengarry County, Ontario chose the location as his headquarters for exploring timber rights in the area. 

MacDonnell House in Sand Point

MacDonnell House in Sand Point

He built a temporary headquarters and later built a permanent complex on higher ground above the wharf in the 1850s. It consisted of a commercial, residential, entertainment complex (Chats Lake House), a long narrow office building and a large prestigious looking residence for himself, all faced with limestone blocks. The arrival of the railroad in the 1860s gave a tremendous boost to the expansion of the area.  It included boarding houses, a hotel, a school, two churches, two cemeteries, two grocery stores, a dairy, a stave factory, a powder factory, a limekiln, a shipyard, tenements, a cement ferry dock… 

MacDonnell donated the land for the Catholic church, the public school, the Presbyterian Church and no doubt other structures. 

34 The Youngs, of Montreal Harbour fame, and the MacDonnells were related by marriage. Alexander married Janet Young. Alexander entice the Youngs to come to Sand Point to help him to develop the village. 

35 MacDonnell enticed the McDonalds from Glengarry County, related by marriage to come and run his commercial enterprise in the 1860s. Catholic Scotsman Ronald McDonald, his wife Penelope and their two children Flora Ann born in 1859 and John Ronald (John R.) born in 1860 arrived in Sand Point some time after the children were born and before the 1871 census which lists them in McNab Township. They came from Lochiel, Glengarry Co,, Ontario. Ronald was born in Inverness Shire, Scotland in 1814 or 15….

John R. sister Flora married John Brennan and lived in the MacDonnell house. John R. married Ellen Toner of Portage Du Fort in the 90s. Her father Captain Toner used to doc at the wooden wharf…Ellen and John R. had at least five children: Patsy, Claire, Vita and Flora.

MacDonnell-McDonald Family tree

MacDonnell Tree

MacDonnell Tree

There is so much more about this man’s business interests and family in the sources above but not a lot about his family connections.

From the above sources there are a lot of places to start doing research on this family. Also, to widen the net of your research by expanding the geography of your search. Montreal is mentioned for the marriage and the Youngs apparently were prominent, The last article describes census for 1851, 1871, 1881, 1901 for McNab Township which might be interesting to take a look at. Of course petitions and land records for Renfrew and Pontiac (Quebec notaries).

Mr. MacDonald’s charts point to Beckwith and Drummond Twps. in Lanark, formerly the Bathhurst District and one could go back even further in the records of the area, if they exist?

My curiosity has been satisfied.  I was interested in this Lumber King Alexander MacDonell’s family connections. It seems I have at least found some sources that can lead to more research.

Keeping all this in mind, my interest now returns to my family and the origins of Alexander John MacDonell and Ellen McPherson and their daughter Mary who married Archibald MacDonell.  So I will be studying Chart 13, Sheet 5, Part IV quite a lot and disputing Mr. MacDonald’s lineages as necessary.

*Birchell Du Fort – where is this location in the Ottawa area? If you know please help me out and leave a comment.  It might have something to do with Chats Lake a part of the Ottawa River between Sand Point and Ottawa City?  Another variation on Mr. MacDonald’s chart was Birch’s Creek Les Chats Quebec.  Modern maps are not helping.

Quebec Wanderings: Lancaster to Pointe-Claire, Quebec…

October 1, 2014

There is a gas station, store and Denny’s on the north side of 401 at Lancaster, Ontario. One stop shopping.  This time they didn’t have any good Canadian T-shirts for me to buy, grrrr….  I did ask for help in checking the oil in my rental car and they had an attendant.  It was good.

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

On my last trip I had planned to go into Montreal but I was too tired and decided instead to concentrate on Glengarry and visit as many of the churches and cemeteries as I could.  So I cancelled my reservations in Quebec and found the Monte Carlo Motel on Hwy 2 in Cornwall and luckily they had a room.  So I stayed there for one night and was able to tour around the Glengarry area before I headed back to Ottawa to return the car and fly home.

I had dinner one of the evenings at the Blue Anchor Bar and Grill and this big ship came chugging by.  They don’t mess around for it was gone in about 20 minutes.

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

This time I was determined to make it to Quebec and Montreal.  So on Sunday, September 21 I headed to Pointe-Claire, Quebec.  After breakfast at the Denny’s I filled up the tank with gas and I headed east on Hwy 2 and immediately ran into a barricade.  I then had to find the detour which took me to the south side of 401 and the Service Road.  I followed that out and was back on Hwy 2 soon.  It was not great traveling weather as you can see from the photo below.

Morning on the St. Lawrence

Morning on the St. Lawrence at the Monte Carlo

I entered Quebec and the sign changed from Hwy 2 to Hwy 338.  I passed through several towns Les Coteaux and Coteau-du-Lac.  The name of the road changed to Chemin du Canal. It is called the Soulange Canal which flows along this area. It is very straight and it was raining as I drove by.

I was soon in Pointe-des-Cascades and I wandered around that little town for a while.  People were out walking their dogs or should I say…le chien.  I saw this cat, la chat, running across this park and it looked like it was pursuing the man and his dog.  Cats do like to go for walks too, my Puffer often followed me.

The road curves north at Pointe-des-Cascades and I found a little side road that took me where I could take pictures of the Ottawa River (Outaouais).  This is where the Ottawa meets the St. Lawrence. There were many lovely homes along this road.  It was very dark, dreary and rainy.

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338 – Quebec

Hwy 338 took me up to Hwy 20 and I crossed over the Outaouais River to Perrot Island. Sainte-Anne de Bellevue came up very quick and I turned off to follow the Chemin Lakeshore road.

What a kick! This was a small two lane road that stopped about every 2 blocks (Arret) with a stop sign.  There were houses and some where like little castles, small green parks and views of the St. Lawrence or Lac St. Louis, small towns areas like Baie d’Urte. I kept following this road till it brought me to Beaconsfield.  The road from there became the Beaconsfield Blvd.  I stopped to get some supplies and found this wonderful cream for my coffee.  It was labeled in French so I had to figure out if it was whipping cream by the little drawings on it and I picked the other offer.

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

Unfortunately, I ran into another barricade and had to do a detour which took me around restaurants like the Ye Old Orchard that I had wanted to visit.  The detour finally brought me back to Blvd. St. Jean.  This is where I needed to turn north and head for the Comfort Inn.  Boy was I was really early.  The clock said 11:30 am much earlier than I had anticipated I would get there but then the weather was so bad I didn’t stop to take more photos.

I continued up Blvd. St. Jean and it changed from two lanes to four lanes and things got real busy.  I turned on Holiday St. into the Comfort Inn parking lot just below Hwy 40 near Blvd. Hymus.  The room was ready so I settled in and did the laundry and worked on my blog posts and rested. The next day would be a big day at the Quebec Family History Society and then I would drive into Montreal.

Remember to breath kiddo…yeah I was a little intimidated.  Here is the view from my hotel window.  I had fun watching the traffic and the day end and then checking the street in the wee hours to see it empty.

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec


Ontario Wanderings: The Glengarry area…Again…

September 30, 2014

The highway that follows the St. Lawrence in Glengarry is one of my favorite places.  I like the gentle drive along the waterfront with the St. Lawrence on one side and the houses either on the water or set back.

The St. Lawrence River

The St. Lawrence River

There are little docks, with boats. I noticed that the signs had been updated to reflect the South Glengarry township change.  I still think of it as Glengarry County with the townships of Lochiel, Kenyon, Charlottenburgh and Lancaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glengarry_County,_Ontario

The New sign for Glengarry

The New sign for Glengarry

Since I had viewed a copy of Part IV of Duncan’s charts, I didn’t have to go into the Cornwall Public Library and the Cornwall Room.  I had been there in 2012 so I knew what they had and given them a booklet of my McDonald’s side.  I do recommend the Cornwall Room for genealogical research.  http://www.cornwall.ca/en/webadmin/publiclibrary.asp  I do want to warn you that the library’s website it not real helpful but you can go to their local history link and do searches. The Cornwall Room has limited hours so make sure you know those hours before you head out to this library in downtown Cornwall.  Parking is behind the library and you do have to feed the meter. http://library.cornwall.on.ca/

You can read about my first visit dated June 24, 2012 “The Cornwall Public Library’s Genealogical & History Collection.

The Genealogical Society of St. Laurent has moved to the basement of the Cornwall Library and I could go in and see if they were open for business and it looks like they might be keeping Saturday hours. http://genealogieetarchivessaintlaurent.ca/

You can read about my first visit to them in 2012 at this post dated June 24, 2012 “A Gem in the United Counties of S.D.&G: La Genealogie et archives Saint-Laurent Inc.”

I decided I needed some downtime and to rest so I hung around my motel room.  Now I stayed at this motel one night on my trip in 2012.  It is the motel Monte Carlo and it is right on the St. Lawrence River just a little past the main downtown area of Cornwall.  Now it is not a fancy motel but it is so convenient.  It is just beyond St. Anthony St. and a bit before Boundary Rd. and right on Hwy 2.  She put me in room #4 again and fortunately, things had improved since my last visit.  So I was happy.  http://www.montecarlomotel1700.com/  Now if you want breakfast you have to go out.  They did have coffee but I would plan to bring your own just in case.  I did have a microwave and refrigerator.

Motel Monte Carlo

Motel Monte Carlo

The Wharf at the Monte Carlo

The Wharf at the Monte Carlo

Just east along Hwy #2 is the Blue Anchor Bar and Grill.  I had found this restaurant on my last trip and had sat out on their veranda watching the boats go by.  I forgot one thing and that is it was fall this time not spring and it was a bit cool out there on their veranda but I persevered.  http://www.blueanchor.ca/ They are also on Facebook.

Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

The veranda was a little cold

The veranda was a little cold

I had made arrangements to meet with someone at one of the little historical societies in the area but it didn’t work out.   I had hoped to ask a ton of questions but it didn’t happen and I have had a discussion with myself about being more careful.

However, I did get a little drive through the Glengarry area and when I turned off of Hwy 34 onto Hwy 24 and saw these church spires I realized that it was the St. Columba and Kirkhill Churches that I had visited the last time.  I had come south on the Military Road and saw them in the distance and was just blown away.  They were still pretty impressive.

St. Columba Church & Cemetery

St. Columba Church & Cemetery

In Alexandria I wandered around and found this lovely lake and another cemetery The United Church Cemetery.

Mill Pond

Mill Pond

United Church Cemetery in Alexandria

United Church Cemetery in Alexandria

I stopped at Dimitri’s for an early dinner.  It was a little stormy and windy so I ate my early dinner inside   Dimitri is in Summerstown and right on the St. Lawrence.  I decided to try a Greek plate and it was very good.  They said they would be offering breakfast starting in October so you might want to check it out.  Dimitri’s is a little east of Hwy 27 in Summerstown.

Anything having to do with MacDonells is something that I will take a few minutes to stop and study.  There is a plaque on the Hwy 2 for Lt. Colonel John MacDonell (Abercalder).  It is on the south side of the road.  You can pull into Stone House Point Road and park and then walk over to the plaque.  It you get to Rae Road you are either past or just about there depending on which way you are headed.

Plaque for John MacDonell

Plaque for John MacDonell

 

The Plaque for John MacDonald (Abercalder)

The Plaque for John MacDonald (Abercalder)

There are supposed to be remnants of the house he built-in this area but it is all private property so I did not try to venture further.  I did try to peek over the bushes but I could not see anything in the area that might be ruins.  Google Earth just sees lots of trees in the area.

There are lots of historical plaques in the area and one could spend a lot of time driving around and finding them.

http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=13373

Try these links.

http://www.ontarioplaques.com/Plaques_STU/Plaque_Stormont42.html or go here.

http://www.ontarioplaques.com/Locations/Location_DirectoryStormont.html

Here is a list of the posts and dates of my 2012 tour of the Glengarry, Ontario area.  You can find them using the archive box on the right of this blog.

  • At Last! Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry!, June 22, 2012
  • An Overview: Dundas, Stormont and the city of Cornwall, Ontario, June 24, 2012
  • The Cornwall Public Library’s Genealogical & History Collection, June 24, 2012
  • A Gem in the United Counties of S.D.&G: La Genealogie et archives Saint-Laurent, Inc., June 24, 2012
  • Cornwall Community Museum! June 25, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry:  Glengarry Archives & the Sir John Johnson House, June 26, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: The Nor’Westers and Loyalist Museum, June 26, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry:  Williamstown, June 26, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry:  Dunvegan & The Glengarry Pioneer Museum, June 27, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry:  Alexandria “The Centre of Glengarry,” June 27, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: St. Raphael’s, June 28, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: Martintown, June 28, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: St. Andrews West (Stormont), June 28, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: Lancaster, June 28, 2012
  • Last Night in Cornwall, A Turn of Events and a lovely view!, June 28, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: Cornwall to South Lancaster, June 29, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry:  Kirkhill, June 29, 2012
  • Touring Glengarry: Lochiel, Glen Sandfield, Dalkeith, June 29, 2012
  • Prescott, Russell, The Ottawa River & Ottawa!, June 29, 2012

Ontario Wanderings: The Brockville Museum & Leeds Grenville Branch of the OGS

September 30, 2014

I came home on Sunday September 28th and still have much to share about the remainder of my trip.  So keep reading.

Canada’s Highway 2 is a wonderful road.  I get to see the country side.  I was contemplating taking 401 but decided “NAH” it was more fun to do Hwy 2.  So from Kingston I headed east on Hwy 2 to Brockville. This time I didn’t do the Thousand Island Parkway road after Gananoque which meant I would be more in the country and the road would not get close to the St. Lawrence till it got to Brockville.  I did take the Thousand Island Parkway when I went this way in 2012 so if you wanted to read about it you could do so on this blog and it is when I fell in love with the St. Lawrence River.

Once I found the Brockville Museum, I went in search of food and found Bud’s on the Bay.  I had a nice fettucine with Shrimp.  It was very good.  Bonnie was in Brockville at Buds on the Bay….giggle…Silly me.

The Brockville Museum houses the Leeds & Grenville Branch of the OGS and they were opened at 1 pm.  At the museum’s front door I went to the right and into the next room turning left and then another left down steep stairs into the small area that is the Leeds and Grenville room.  I was greeted by Patti and she had a surprise for me.  http://www.leedsandgrenvillegenealogy.com/

The Brockville Museum

The Brockville Museum

Entrance to the museum

Entrance to the museum

On the table was Part IV, Duncan MacDonald’s collection of genealogical charts.  See my blog post on this blog dated September 2, 2014 “Sources to use for Untangling McDonell, MacDonald, MacDonell & McDonald families…”  In this post I listed 5 books that Mr. Duncan Darby MacDonald created and here is the one I am most interested in.

4.  **A collection of genealogical charts  Part-IV, 3rd Edition, ISBN O-921133-39-1.  Much of the earlier work done by Daniel F. McDonald of Bristol, Conn and other members of his family at Bridgend (Stone Villa) Lancaster.  A second edition was published in 1988 and the 3rd in 1993.  FHL#971.37 D2, book only.   

Patti and I chatted for a while about how the immigrants got from Quebec City to Montreal to various areas of Ontario and she said they could disembark at Prescott, Brockville, Kingston and even Toronto.  The Loyalists would usually settle by regiment.  Another person had told me that if you know the lot and concession number that is another piece of the puzzle.

The family histories

The family histories

I did not have much time so I proceeded to study the pages I was most interested in Chart #13 and made a quick list of the other charts that where referenced.  Then I started looking for those charts in the book which is very thick and took pictures.  Now I am probably not done with the book because those new charts may have other references.  Therefore, when I get back home I will need to get busy and study all this information.  I left one of my McDonald Booklets based on this blog with Patti for the collection.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

Around 3 pm I packed up and headed out.  When I was there the last time a storm was brewing so I took a few minutes to take some new pictures of the little park and marina near the museum.

The St. Lawrence River at Brockville

The St. Lawrence River at Brockville

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The main street in Brockville

The main street in Brockville

I took Hwy 2 again and I passed through Prescott, Johnstown, Cardinal, Iroquois, Morrisburg, past the Upper Canada Village, Ingleside and Long Sault.  I had driven this route in 2012 and kept hearing about the St. Lawrence Seaway and didn’t realize the impact that this had on the area.

Long Sault has the Lost Villages Museum http://lostvillages.ca/  The creation of the St. Lawrence Seaway flooded many villages and the inhabitants had to move.  The day was July 1, 1958 when the water was released.  The website gives a list of the cities and what happened.

The St. Lawrence Seaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lawrence_Seaway


Ontario Wanderings: Kingston Frontenac Library

September 29, 2014

The following morning, I gathered my things and loaded up the car.

Kingston in the morning

Kingston in the morning

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It was a short walk over to the Kingston Frontenac Library on Johnson Street.  It was just north of the Diocese offices.

Kingston Frontenac Library

Kingston Frontenac Library

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Their genealogy room is to the right at the far end on the first floor.

The announcement sign

The announcement sign

http://www.kfpl.ca/explore-online-resources/genealogy-resources

The Kingston Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society

http://www.ogs.on.ca/kingston/

The stacks and holdings

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This is a pleasant, and quiet place to do research.  There are tables to work on.  I spent some time studying the stacks but that is not all they have so use the links above to explore.

It was now time to head further east and this time my goal was the Leeds & Grenville Branch of the OGS – Ontario Genealogical Society library which is housed in the Brockville Museum.


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