Quebec Wanderings: Lancaster to Pointe-Claire, Quebec…

October 1, 2014

There is a gas station, store and Denny’s on the north side of 401 at Lancaster, Ontario. One stop shopping.  This time they didn’t have any good Canadian T-shirts for me to buy, grrrr….  I did ask for help in checking the oil in my rental car and they had an attendant.  It was good.

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

On my last trip I had planned to go into Montreal but I was too tired and decided instead to concentrate on Glengarry and visit as many of the churches and cemeteries as I could.  So I cancelled my reservations in Quebec and found the Monte Carlo Motel on Hwy 2 in Cornwall and luckily they had a room.  So I stayed there for one night and was able to tour around the Glengarry area before I headed back to Ottawa to return the car and fly home.

I had dinner one of the evenings at the Blue Anchor Bar and Grill and this big ship came chugging by.  They don’t mess around for it was gone in about 20 minutes.

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

This time I was determined to make it to Quebec and Montreal.  So on Sunday, September 21 I headed to Pointe-Claire, Quebec.  After breakfast at the Denny’s I filled up the tank with gas and I headed east on Hwy 2 and immediately ran into a barricade.  I then had to find the detour which took me to the south side of 401 and the Service Road.  I followed that out and was back on Hwy 2 soon.  It was not great traveling weather as you can see from the photo below.

Morning on the St. Lawrence

Morning on the St. Lawrence at the Monte Carlo

I entered Quebec and the sign changed from Hwy 2 to Hwy 338.  I passed through several towns Les Coteaux and Coteau-du-Lac.  The name of the road changed to Chemin du Canal. It is called the Soulange Canal which flows along this area. It is very straight and it was raining as I drove by.

I was soon in Pointe-des-Cascades and I wandered around that little town for a while.  People were out walking their dogs or should I say…le chien.  I saw this cat, la chat, running across this park and it looked like it was pursuing the man and his dog.  Cats do like to go for walks too, my Puffer often followed me.

The road curves north at Pointe-des-Cascades and I found a little side road that took me where I could take pictures of the Ottawa River (Outaouais).  This is where the Ottawa meets the St. Lawrence. There were many lovely homes along this road.  It was very dark, dreary and rainy.

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338 – Quebec

Hwy 338 took me up to Hwy 20 and I crossed over the Outaouais River to Perrot Island. Sainte-Anne de Bellevue came up very quick and I turned off to follow the Chemin Lakeshore road.

What a kick! This was a small two lane road that stopped about every 2 blocks (Arret) with a stop sign.  There were houses and some where like little castles, small green parks and views of the St. Lawrence or Lac St. Louis, small towns areas like Baie d’Urte. I kept following this road till it brought me to Beaconsfield.  The road from there became the Beaconsfield Blvd.  I stopped to get some supplies and found this wonderful cream for my coffee.  It was labeled in French so I had to figure out if it was whipping cream by the little drawings on it and I picked the other offer.

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

Unfortunately, I ran into another barricade and had to do a detour which took me around restaurants like the Ye Old Orchard that I had wanted to visit.  The detour finally brought me back to Blvd. St. Jean.  This is where I needed to turn north and head for the Comfort Inn.  Boy was I was really early.  The clock said 11:30 am much earlier than I had anticipated I would get there but then the weather was so bad I didn’t stop to take more photos.

I continued up Blvd. St. Jean and it changed from two lanes to four lanes and things got real busy.  I turned on Holiday St. into the Comfort Inn parking lot just below Hwy 40 near Blvd. Hymus.  The room was ready so I settled in and did the laundry and worked on my blog posts and rested. The next day would be a big day at the Quebec Family History Society and then I would drive into Montreal.

Remember to breath kiddo…yeah I was a little intimidated.  Here is the view from my hotel window.  I had fun watching the traffic and the day end and then checking the street in the wee hours to see it empty.

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec


Sources to use for Untangling McDonell, MacDonald, MacDonell & McDonald families….

September 2, 2014
St. Raphael's the 1st 50 years.

St. Raphael’s the 1st 50 years.

Mr. Duncan Darby MacDonald of the MacDonald Research centre in Brockville was the author of many books on Glengarry, Stormont and other counties in the Eastern area of Ontario.

Around 1999 and 2000, I emailed the MacDonald Research Centre about my family surname of MacDonald/McDonald/Macdonell and told Mr. MacDonald about the family and the births of my grandparents and their children in Chichester and Allumette area of the Upper Ottawa River.  I do not have a copy of the email anymore.  He growled at me, if you can growl in an email.  I tried several times to communicate but failed and backed off. I was very new back then to genealogy and that is not the case now.  I know a lot more about my family.

Mr. MacDonald passed away about 2006 and I have learned from an obituary notice that he was known as “Old Crusty.”  It is a very nice obituary for him at the Loyalist website:  http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Trails/2006/Loyalist-Trails-2006.php?issue=200647 You will have to scroll to the bottom.

You really cannot do any research on Glengarry County, Ontario without running into Mr. MacDonald’s works. I have seen them under Duncan Darby MacDonald, Darby MacDonald, William Harold MacDonald and other variations. He is probably better known for his church registers which you can find just about everywhere.

Here are two possible options using “Duncan MacDonald”

http://globalgenealogy.com/cgi-bin/htsearch  This gave me 50 hits.  Now Global Genealogy has taken over his estate where his publications are concerned so they can sell them.

With the use of “Darby MacDonald” or “Duncan Darby MacDonald”  in their search engine you get 25 hits.

http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed139.htm

Here is a list at the Family History Library there are 4 under Duncan Darby MacDonald and 56 under MacDonald, Duncan W. (Duncan William Harold) 1933.

The Toronto Public Library you get 137 hits on Duncan MacDonald, and 86 on Darby MacDonald.  http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?Ntt=Duncan+MacDonald  Most of these titles are at the North York Branch in their Canadiana room on the 6th floor.

The Cornwall Public Library in Cornwall, Ont.  – Cornwall Room and I get 16 hits on Duncan MacDonald and 11 on his full name.  The Cornwall Room hours are limited so you need to check with the librarian about the days and times.

The Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry County Library has 32 of his titles and they can be in different branches so you need to check their website.

The Ottawa Public Library has 27 of Mr. MacDonald’s titles.  They have their history room with restricted hours so check before you go.

Why am I telling you all this?  I am telling you this so if you need to find a copy to consult you have an idea of where to look and how to look for his titles.  I probably will be revisiting his books on my next trip to Ontario and Quebec this Fall.  Now these books are not the originals and you really need to go to the church records if you can and seek sources to support the charts.

Now he is not the only one, Alex Fraser is another who has compiled and written a lot of books you may want to consult:  http://www.glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

You can do the same with Alex’s titles and name as I did with Mr. MacDonald.  I believe the Lancaster Library in Lancaster, Ontario has a nice collection.

I actually used both Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Fraser’s books to design my visits to the various cemeteries on my Touring Glengarry posts on this blog.  I was pretty thorough but missed a few of the very small cemeteries.

In this post I want to concentrate on the genealogical charts Mr. MacDonald created. Truly they are a labor of love and dedication on his part.  I have tried to decipher them and have not been very successful.  Here is a summary of what I know.

There are several Volumes to the genealogical charts: They all have at the top this beginning:  Scotland’s Migrations to North America. Early Settlers to Upper Canada (Eastern Ontario) Stormont & Glengarry, by Duncan Darby MacDonald.  They all have a table of contents.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

These were found at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City:

1.  A collection of genealogical charts, part I – covered only the MacDonell Families of “Leek,” “Cullachie,” and Abercalder,” as well as “Greenfield.”  Long out of print and updated in 3rd edition of Part – IV, see below.  FHL#929.271 M145m pt 1.  On 3 Fiche FHL#6049681  It is under the title of: The MacDonalds or MacDonells of Glengarry: and other genealogies in the Family Search Catalog and it says a digital version is available but it is not letting me view it.  I don’t have sufficient rights?

2. A collection of genealogical charts, part II, 1991 covers families in an around Cornwall, and St. Andrews (Stormont County), and a large section on MacDonell/MacDonald family. FHL#971.376 D2 Book form only.

3.  A collection of genealogical charts, part III, 1992 – Genealogies of families primarily from the counties of Stormont and Glengarry, Ontario.  FHL#971.37 D2m.  Additional descriptive information indicates this covers the families of Newington, Osnbruck and Cornwall with very few Scottish connections.  Also on FHL#1697932 Item 2.

4.  **A collection of genealogical charts  Part-IV, 3rd Edition, ISBN O-921133-39-1.  Much of the earlier work done by Daniel F. McDonald of Bristol, Conn and other members of his family at Bridgend (Stone Villa) Lancaster.  A second edition was published in 1988 and the 3rd in 1993.  FHL#971.37 D2, book only.  

5.  A collection of genealogical charts, part V was updated in a 2nd edition in 1989 and covers the families of MacMillan.   It is under The MacMillan’s: and other genealogies, FHL#929.271 M228  This one also says a digital version is available but when I click I get, not sufficient rights?  Also on microfilm FHL# 169771 Item 17.

Neil McGillis suggested I look at Duncan’s chart No. 13 page 724 sheet 3 we have the Lundie MacDonells. So I consulted my collection of Mr. MacDonald’s charts and found I did not have this chart #13, which turns out to be about 15 pages of charts starting on page 721 and going through to 735.  You will find these charts in Part -IV.

I shared about this specific chart in the post I wrote on August 26, 2014 titled: Revisiting:  Ronald (Ranald) and Janet McDonell – The Lundie Family Connection.  

The Janet who married Ronald is part of the Lundie Family through her father and mother John and Flora McDonell.  They appear on the chart.

I took it a step further and I found a copy of this book Part IV at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City in October 0f 2013 and there on Chart 13, sheet 5, page 73A are the names of my great grandparents Archibald and Mary McDonell, who I have posted about a great deal in this blog. Sigh…all these years and there it was…

I had wondered why my Kennedy cousin who gave me a copy of his chart when we had dinner on their outside street porch at D’Arcy Mcgee’s in Ottawa was so odd.  Well, as I gazed on this chart by Mr. MacDonald, I saw it was similar.

The 14 pages I copied have a lot more in them and it is pretty amazing. I am so glad I traveled both sides of the Upper Ottawa River back in 2012.  As I study Mr. MacDonald’s pages I have plenty to share in future posts.

Unfortunately, my grand Aunt Nellie’s chart on her mother Mary’s side does not agree with Mr. MacDonald’s and he has Mary’s parents as Angus and Janet rather than Alexander John MacDonell and Ellen McPherson.

Mr. MacDonald writes in his books comments like he placed in his Part IV, 3rd Edition at the beginning.

 “There will be errors and omissions and we look to other researchers and family members to bring these to my attention so that the records we leave for future generations will be correct.”

Apparently it was not meant to be for Duncan and me to connect.  However, I have met other researchers like Mr. McGillis and am so grateful to you all for going before me.  Thanks.  It is not easy to untangle McD’s heritage in Ontario, Canada.


Update on Janet McDonell and her life after Ronald

August 31, 2014

In the post about Janet and Ronald that I wrote on September 29, 2011, I didn’t mention Janet’s second marriage to Thomas Poupore.  I did an update to the post indicating that omission.

As a result, I could not help myself and decided to do some further research on what happened to Janet McDonell the widow of Ronald.

Janet remarried to Thomas Poupore on the 12th of February 1872 in the St. Alphonse and that record is in the 1859 to 1876 Register of the St. Alphonse Church at Chapeau, Ile Aux Allumettes, Marriage 11. The record covers two pages of the register.  This collection called the Drouin is available at Ancestry.com and Family Search and there is the Drouin Institute.

First page of the Marriage of Thomas Poupore and Janet McDonell

First page of the Marriage of Thomas Poupore and Janet McDonell

” The St. Alphonse Allumette Island, 12 Febry, 72. Whereas a dispensation of three of the Banns of Marriage has being granted by us in virtue of the power accorded to us by his Lordship the Right Rev. Doctor Guigues Bishop of Ottawa to Thomas Poupore of this mission son of age of John B. Poupore and Rosy Boyd now deceased of the one part and Janet McDonald widow of deceased Ronald McDonald on the other part no impediment having been discovered we the undersigned Priest of this mission have received their mutual consent to marriage and have given them the nuptuals benediction at St. Alphonses Allumette Island on the day and date aforesaid in presence of Denis Lynch and Annie Kell Kelly who have not signed.  E. Marcellin, Priest.”

This couple appears in the 1881 Canadian Census for Pontiac County, page 4, Dist. 98, Quebec,  on line 3 through 6.

14/14 Poupore, Thomas M, 50, 1, O, Catholic, French, Farmer, Married

Poupore, Janette, F, 49, 1, O, Catholic, Scotch, Married. 

Poupore, Rosa, F, 8, 1, Q, Catholic, French. 

Poupore, Thomas, M, 6, 1, Q, Catholic, French

The baptism of Rose Anne took placed on the 6th of July 1872.  It is recorded in the records of the St. Alphonse Church 1859 to 1876, Ille Aux Allumette, Chapeau, St. Alphonse, Pontiac, Q. B84.

St. Alphonse Allumette Island 6th July 1872 we the undersigned Priest of this mission baptized Rose Anne [Mary] 9th ultimo of the lawful marriage of Thos. Poupore and Janet McDonell the sponsors were Joseph Wheelan and Isabella Poupore who have not signed. Ed Marcella. 

Unfortunately, we find Thomas listed as a widow in the 1891 Canadian Census, Province Quebec, page 12, District # [170] Pontiac, Chichester Twp., enumerated 12 day of April, 1891 by H. Landon.

Line 1 thru 3, Poupore, Thomas, M, 64, W, Ont., French Canadian 1, POB Father Quebec, Mother Ontario, RC, Farmer, can read and write. Poupore, Rose, F, 18, S, born Quebec, FrCa, Father born Ont, mother Que, RC, can read and write. Poupore, Thomas, M, 16, S, born Que, FrCa, Father born Ont, mother Que, RC, can read and write.  

Janet died on the 19th day of November 1890.

St. Alphonse Church Records, 1890 to 1893 Ile Aux Allumettes Chapeau, St. Alphonse of Pontiac Quebec.  S.37 Jeannet McDonnell, page. 23.

On this nineteenth day of November one thousand eight hundred and ninety we the undersigned parish priest have interred in the R.C. Cemetery of this parish, the body of Jeannette McDonnell who died on the seventeeth instant aged about fifty eight years, wife of Thomas Poupore, of this parish. Were present, Eugene Bergeron, laborer, and William Holden, farmer of this parish who declared they could not sign.  D. Leduc, PP. 

Thomas appears in the 1901 Canadian Census with his son Thomas and in the 1911 census he is still with his son Thomas who has married to Ethel and they have Lawrence, Rayburn, Joseph E. and Thomas the Father who is now 86 years old. Below Thomas is Allan MacDonald a border who is 65 years old. Is it possible this is Janet’s brother?

St. Alphonse Church records 1897 Ile Des Alumettes, Paroisse St. Joseph, Pontiac, Registres Au Greffe Campbell’s Bay, # S6, On the Twenty-fifth day of February one thousand eight hundred and ninety-seven, we, the undersigned priest have interred in the RC Cemetery of this parish the body of Rose Mary, who died on the twenty third instant, aged twenty four years and eight months and half, daughter of Thomas Poupore and of late Jeannette McDonnell, of this parish. Were present Thomas Poupore and Thomas John Poupore, who signed with us. 

I believe that this Thomas Poupore died probably about 1914.  I have to do a little more studying of the records to be sure.  Here are the cemetery records.

A 56 Poupore and McDonald (1) in memory of Janet McDonald wife of Thomas Poupore, died Nov 17, 1890 aged 58 y’rs, rest in peace. and Rose Mary Poupore, Feb 23, 1897 aged 24 y’rs & 8 mo’s, rest in peace.

#1341 Jeannett McDonnell, 17 Nov. 1890, 19 Nov. 189, 586 w/o Thomas Poupore, Eugene Berjeron, William Holden. Note:  I had place a ? by Janet’s name.  The mystery is solved.

#1631, Poupore, Rose Mary 23 Feb 1897,, 25 Feb 1897 24 y 8 1/2 m. d/o Thomas Poupore & late Jeannette McDonnell, Thomas Poupore, Thomas John Poupore.

Here is an interesting entry in this book? McClellan or McLellan?

#1302 McClellan, Flora, died 06 Nov. 1881, buried 8 Nov. 1881, 76 yr wid/o John McDonnell, present William McDonell, Joseph Bergeron.  

From the Book:  St. Alphonsus of Ligouri, Chapeau, Allumette Island, Pontiac Co., Quebec,  Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records, by Elaine Brown, March 2000. 

Go here for some of the tombstones for this family.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cangmg/quebec/pontiac/allumett/stalplig/l-to-z/page0004.htm

I think is is very interesting the different spellings of Janet’s name:  Jeanette, Janet, Jeanett and I have seen Genet and Jennette. I have had trouble placing the families when the spellings are so varied. Handwritting is also a challenge to decipher.  You have to collect the different versions and this is evident here.


Revisiting: Ronald (Ranald) and Janet McDonell – The Lundie Family Connection!

August 26, 2014

Today, I am revisiting one of the children of Alexander John McDonell and Rachel McPherson.  This child is Ronald McDonell (Ranald) who married Janet McDonell. According to Neil McGillis who found this blog, Janet, is a member of the Lundie McDonells.  It is a great day when you find connections.

I wrote about this couple in a past post dated September 29, 2011 and it was titled:

The Ronald McDonell & Janet McDonell Family.”

http://macdonellfamily.wordpress.com/2011/09/

Neil has kindly consented to my sharing the family chart he sent to me.  I  removed the last line of individuals below Catherine and Ed Gallagher because they are still living.

McDonell of Lundie Chart

McDonell of Lundie Chart

Janet was a child of John McDonell who married Flora McKinnon and also Flora W. McLellan (dau of Donald McLellan and Isabella McGillis).* The marriage to Flora took place about  January 1827 in Beckwith Twp.

Where is Beckwith Twp., it is in Lanark County, Ontario:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beckwith,_Ontario

This link is to the township site where they have some brochures and a book:

http://www.twp.beckwith.on.ca/history.aro

Beckwith: Irish and Scottish Identities in a Canadian Community. Looks like you can read some of this book here:  http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6013 

To think I drove through the area in 2012 and stopped for gas in Carleton Place on my way to Hastings Co. I guess I should have dallied more in Lanark County, although I did enjoy Smith Falls and visited the Lanark County Genealogical Society. http://macdonellfamily.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/lanark-county-smith-falls-ontario/  I knew there was more there because of the references to Alexander MacDonald who lived in Sandpoint along the Ottawa river having been there in Lanark and then in Glengarry County and then up to the Arnprior area.  I just did not know how he fit in.  I will share more about that in a later post.

John McDonell then migrated to Horton Twp. which is in Renfrew County, Ontario and onto Chichester which is in Pontiac County, Quebec and he died in Sheenboro Twp. on 13 February 1861.  I visited this area in 2012 and wrote many posts about my adventure on this blog under the title of the Touring the Upper Ottawa….I was in Renfrew County quite a bit on my trip in 2012 and also in Sheenboro.

John is not listed on the tombstones at the Gravemarker gallery  nor in the written online transcript as being buried in the St. Paul De Hermit Roman Catholic Cemetery graveyard.  I have visited this cemetery in person in Sheenboro, Pontiac Co., Quebec and there are lots of empty spaces even though it is well-tended.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~klf69/sheenboro/index.htm

In reviewing the above chart, and the family pages I list below,  we see that  John and Flora McLellan had the following children:

1.  Donald b. 1827

2.  Angus b. 1829.  He married Ellen Kennedy, 8 January 1867.

3. ** Janet b. 1831.  She married first Ranald (Ronald) McDonald 1827 to 1862 and her 2nd marriage was to Thomas Poupore [Sr.]

4.  Alexander 1833 to 1885.  He married Johanna Walsh.  After his death she remarried to a Peter Langan.  He died about 1896. She died about 1913.

5.  Duncan married Isabella.

6.  Allan b. 1835 a deaf-mute

7. Betsy b. 1840, she married Francis Walsh in 1867.

8. Louisa b. 1843 married Donald McGillis

JohnMcDonell&Flora McLellan

If the chart is to confusing try this:  Janet&Ronald  Please be advised that charts and outlines are subject to change at any time.

Neil gave me a link to a family website and I have tried comparing the chart above with a family tree online at Rootsweb titled:   French, Scottish, Irish, German and English families of James and Deborah McDonald,* by James Allan McDonald compiler.  He has information on this line of McDonells/Macdonells and takes Janet’s lineage way back.

Here is the link to John McDonell on this tree and you can see that he is named John Mor MacDonell. Just click on his name and it will bring you to his individual page.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=ranaldthecalf&id=I19362

I am still trying to read through this family tree and absorb it.  I am impressed with it but I am also a little wary of some of the sources. As I always say please verify the information yourself.

The above website at Rootsweb does not go into any detail about Flora McLellan.  You have to go back to the chart I have displayed above. It does list the children from John’s first marriage.

My information has Janet’s birth to be about 1833 so it makes sense that John married the second time to Flora McLellan before 1827.  If there is a record of that marriage, I would be glad to receive it.

John Mor MacDonell was born about 1781 in Scotland and lived in Glengarry Co., on the 6th Concession, Lochiel Twp. at about the date of 12 Jan. 1841. Unfortunately, there is no mention of the lot number but there is one listed for his brother Archibald as Lot 4 the north end of the sixth Concession in Lochiel Twp. for about 1845.  John died 7 February 1861 in Sheen Twp., Pontiac Co., Quebec.

The website does give children for John and the 1st Flora as follows:  Mary 1811, Nancy 1810 in Scotland, Penelope 1813 in Scotland, Christine 1817,  and Donald 1826.  They may be other children – see my chart just click to open which is not necessarily in birth order.

JohnMcDonell & Flora MacKinnon

 

The website goes on to give the parents of John Mor MacDonell

–Alexander (Lundi) MacDonell b. Abt 1754 in Knoydart, Scotland and he married Janet (Barrisdale) MacDonell b. 1763 in Knoydart, Scotland.  He died on 1 Jan. 1842 in the snows near Allumette Island.   Janet was born about 1763 in Knoydart and died 14 Jan. 1847 in Stark’s Corners, Clarendon Twp., Pontiac Co., Quebec.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoydart

Neil mentioned a 1815 list of enrollees to which you will find a transcription of those that came on the ships the Dorothy, Baltic Merchant, and Atlas:   http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/edinburghindex.shtml  Alexander is featured in the list for the Baltic Merchant. Lucille H. Campey in her book: The Scottish Pioneers to Upper Canada, 1784 to 1855 Glengarry and Beyond, has a combined ship summary of this list on page. 191, Appendix 1, “General List of Settlers, Enrolled for Canada under the Government Regulations at Edinburgh, 1815,” [PRO CO 385/2 ff 3-26].   PRO stands for Public Records Office and CO is Colonial office.   I guess it means I have to go to England to see the list. HA!

Alexander’s father was:

– Roderick (Rauri) MacDonell U.E. and he married Mary Cameron and they had:

1.  Alexander – John’s father

2. Ronald MacDonell b. about 1768

3. Roderick (Rory Og) MacDonell

4. Angus Mor MacDoneld b. in Scotland

–Roderick’s father is Angus (Lundie) MacDonell U.E.L.  and he died in 1783 enroute to Glengary Co. from the Mohawk Valley of New York State.  There is more but you can enjoy the links I have given and do your own investigating.

There is still more digging and studying to do.  Did you notice mention of the Mohawk Valley in NY, well, I am absolutely fascinated by the history of that area. A surprise to come if all goes well on my trip.  The other is the initials of U.E. and U.E.L. I guess it is time to start studying Loyalists records and not just dabble.  Of course the references to Sheenboro and Allumette just make me happy!

Neil took it one more step further and referred me to Chart #13, page 724 of the work of Duncan Darby MacDonald of the MacDonald Research Centre in Brockville, Ontario.  I have mentioned Mr. MacDonald in past posts.  He has written many books on Glengarry history, church records and charts.  Unfortunately, he passed away several years ago.  However, you cannot do research in Glengarry or areas nearby without coming across his works.  It is now time to dig in to the charts and there are about 5 volumes of charts.

Fortunately, the book below is the book we can target.  It is very thick and a copy is at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City.  I think it is very rare book and not many copies were published,  because I have not been able to purchase a copy for myself.  I do now that most of the estate went to Global Genealogy. They never did add more to this initial list of the titles.  http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed139.htm

Source;  Scotland’s Migratons to North America. Early Settlers to Upper Canada (Eastern Ontario) Stormont & Glengarry, a collection of genealogical charts by Duncan (Darby) MacDonald, Part-IV, 3rd Edition, 1993, ISBN O-921133-39-1.   

This book has many charts in it of many prominent families and Lundie MacDonells start on page 721 to 735, with mention of other charts to consult written on some of the pages.

Now when you search for Mr. MacDonald, he will be either Darby MacDonald, Duncan Darby MacDonald, William Harold and other variations of his name.

 


Some Sheenboro Families that migrated to Saskatchewan…

August 1, 2014

When I was traveling in the Upper Ottawa Valley on both the Ontario (Renfrew) and Quebec (Pontiac) sides in 2012,  a nice lady found and commented on this blog.  She was very enthusiastic and was involved with the Sheenboro history.  Unfortunately, I had already returned to my home and did not get a chance to meet her.  We have since them communicated via email and more.

She said she was related to everyone in Sheenboro, Pontiac Co., Quebec and she is very interested in the families, genealogy and the history of the people of the Upper Ottawa River including Sheenboro, Chichester and Chapeau on Allumette Island.  She had also visited many of the cemeteries and taken photos of them calling it her Stones and Bones tour.

Her name is Linda Berube Inch and she is on Facebook and Ancestry and is also the administrator of the Facebook group titled:  The League to Preserve Timmins Heritage.  Apparently a lot of people from the Sheenboro and Chichester area migrated to Timmins. If you are like me, Timmins is north of Sudbury, Ontario which is north of Toronto.  Linda has many photographs and interesting documents and information on this page so you might want to check it out.

She has graciously given me permission to share this photo which she presented on her Facebook page.

Sheenboro Families

Sheenboro Families

Unfortunately the photo is very difficult to read so with help from Linda this is what we came up with:

“Sheenboro natives who left Sheenboro (in order to) establish a new colony called Sennetville. The families that followed him (?) (were..) T.J. McGuire, James Devine, Thomas Burke, and Hugh Downey. Individuals (included) Simon Sullivan, Michael Hayes, Harold Hayes, Bridget Masterson, Angus MacDonald ( Ida Perreault) married Angus MacDonald and later returned to Sheenboro (Ida was born January 27 1883 and returned on July 12 1904. Jenny and M– Slattery became nuns out west. Margaret Meehan became a nurse in the west. The M Slattery could be Mary.”

I am particularly interested in Hugh Downey and his wife Theresa McDonell who was the daughter of John McDonell and Julia Elizabeth Lacour (Ricard/Tebeau/Thibault).  The Angus MacDonald mentioned married Ida Perrault and was a son of John and Julia.

John looks very promising as the brother of my great-grandfather Archibald McDonell who lived in Chichester and was the Culbute Lockmaster.

I have been trying to find more of Archibald’s siblings but have not been as successful as I have with his wife my great-grandmother Mary McDonell.  Yes she was a McDonell as well. This whole blog is about these families and the ones connected to them.

You will find past posts on this blog about Hugh Downey and Theresa and the others I have mentioned.  Here are several posts you may want to study. I am still trying to make sure the lineage is correct so if you have information please comment.  Just go to the side bar on this blog and you can search for them either in the Archives or in the Categories.

 The Migrations of the Downeys and MacDonalds, dated June 5, 2014

A Discovery:  Archie’s brother John McDonell, living next door in Sheen?, dated March 31, 2012.

 My curiosity being what it is, I tried to find information about this Sennetville Colony mentioned above but cannot bring up anything of significance online. The Archives of Saskatchewan has a very nice website devoted to settlement but no mention of this group of settlers at Sennetville:   http://www.saskarchives.com/sasksettlement/

UPDATE 8/1/2014 at 10:03 am – From the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan we find the Irish Colony called Sinnett after the Fr John Sinnett :   http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/irish_settlements.html  Try Fr. Sinnett in Saskatchewan, Irish Settlements etc. in Google.  Very interesting. 

If you have any information about any of these families and their migrations, please contact us by leaving a comment on this blog, both Linda and I would  love to hear from you.

NOTE:  I have learned about the nature of Canadian research and after traveling in Ontario and Quebec that you need to increase your search area (geographically) for your ancestors.  They were a lot more mobile then we think and you just might find them in Ottawa or Montreal, or further out West or even into the USA like my family did in 1901.  Remember that the area of Sheenboro, Chichester, Waltham, Chapeau (Allumette Island) and Pembroke was a thriving mining, lumbering area when our ancestors were there but by 1900 it changed and now it is a sleepy neighborhood community. I know, I traveled it and you can read about my travels in the posts titled Tour/Touring of the Upper Ottawa Valley which includes Renfrew and Pontiac Counties.

UPDATES 8/3/2014: a book to check into:  The way things were…LeRoy and District Saskatchewan Centennial 1905-2005, Vol. #2 under Loyola School District #1910. The History of Loyola, it was the school in the hamlet of Sinnett. 


A 1848 Group Land Petition from Waltham, Sheen, Mansfield & Chichester

July 10, 2014

In 2012, when I traveled to Canada, I visited the Libraries and Archives in Ottawa for one day. Before I went, I of course studied the land petition indexes online at the Libraries and Archives website, and found a very interesting piece of documentation.

Upper Canada Land Petitions 1763-1865 Index:

  • Name:  Inhabitants of Waltham, Sheen, Mansfield & Chichester
  • Place:  Waltham, Sheen, Mansfield, Chichester
  • Year:   1848
  • Volume: 540A
  • Bundle: W4
  • Petition: 172
  • Microfilm: C-2964
  • Reference: RG 1 L3

From this information I pulled the microfilm while in the research room and took a look and photos.

Apparently the inhabitants of the whole community at that time in 1848, banded together and signed a petition for a land patent.  I share this because I am trying to get back as far as possible in the Chichester, Chapeau, Sheen area with the inhabitants.

Unfortunately, the microfilm is dark, fuzzy and difficult to read and interpret.  It looks like there were two letters submitted and a decision by the council for 3 shilllings.

Here as at least one of them with the list of the petitioners and again I did my best:

Inhabitants petition 1848

Inhabitants petition 1848 – a portion of one of the letters written in the file

To his Excellency the Right and Honorable ___ Everts of Elgin and _____Governor General of the British North America……

In Council.  The petition of the undersigned settlers of the Township of Sheen county of Ottawa Canada East Hunbley Heweth. 

That your petitioners generally, recently migrated from Great Britain and Ireland, that from the great depression in the Lumber trade, the partial and in many cases total failure of the potatoe crop, has plaud your petitioners with their large, and helpless families, into circumstances from which, many years of prosperity will not essace from their recollection.

That the land we now occupy has been surveyed during the past winter – the ___ discription of  soil in which it has pleased Providence to cast our lot, and the peculiar circumstances of our situation, in this remote section of the Province, combined with the fact that all the merchandable timber has, from time to time, been taken away, by lumbermen, and others, under our possessing of little value.  

That our petitioners would therefore suggest, and pray for a reduction in the price of land, your petitioners are of the opinion  3 k p acre is the utmost value of that which they ___and under the  made favorably circumstances, the utmost they will be able to pay.  And as in duly bound, your petitioners will even pray. 

I transcribed these names to the best of my ability but I could be incorrect.  Some names might be French and I am not familiar with them and the person who transcribed the names didn’t spell well. I am particularly interested in the Ronald Roy McDonald.

  • 1. James W. Juston
  • 2. Daniel Ferguson
  • 3. Patrick [   ] Flinn
  • 4. John Murray
  • 5. Alex McGilverey
  • 6. Jonathan Perrault
  • 7.  Thomas Maher
  • 8.  Edward Rennick
  • 9.  __________________
  • 10. Ronald Roy McDonald
  • 11.  Tim Crinaw
  • 12. H….S. __________
  • 13. David Ferguson
  • 14. ________
  • 15. John Ferguson
  • 16. John Downee
  • 17. Richard Hayes
  • 18. _____ Levine
  • 19. Thomas Harington
  • 20. Ra___Oatchern
  • 21. John Ferguson
  • 22. John McCormick
  • 23.  David Ferguson
  • 24. John Sturis
  • 25. Charles Hutchison
  • 26. John Wall or Sewll
  • 27. Mathe Ryng
  • 28. Peter Costille
  • 29. Gory ____
  • 30. Ritchard Mackey
  • 31. John Walch____
  • 32. James ____
  • 33. Patrick Kelly
  • 34. Richard O’Brien
  • 35. _______
  • 36. George Mc___
  • 37. Edward Kelly
  • 38. Rutt Bray
  • 39. William ____________
  • 40. Patrick Matheson
  • 41. Michl Michelson
  • 42. James Walker
  • 43. Samuel Hutchinson
  • 44. Patrick Kelly
  • 45. Thomas Kelly

If you would like a copy of this file, leave a comment and we can make arrangements for me to send you one.  It will be difficult to read.  On the other hand, if you know of this petition and have a better transcription I would be very interested.  Thanks.


The Migrations of Downeys and MacDonalds…

June 5, 2014

Before I launch into sharing about my dad, Keith’s, growing up and learning the craft of airplane mechanic in the Army Air Corp, I want to go back in time and share additional information that has come to light about his Mac/McDonald family.

This blog has brought me many wonderful experiences and among them are meeting new cousins and interested readers.  It has also increased my knowledge of researching in Canada. I have learned that I have to extend my search areas to a much larger view.

Two families that migrated where the Hugh and Theresa Downey family and the Ambrose and Mary Jane (McCarthy) MacDonald family.  They left Sheenboro and Chichester in Pontiac County, Quebec and headed for Saskatchewan.  They are buried in the St. Patrick’s Catholic Cemetery near Leroy.

Ambrose MacDonald was a son of Duncan and Elizabeth (Sauvé)McDonell.  I wrote about Duncan and Elizabeth’s family in this post on this blog: “Duncan McDonell and Elizabeth Sauvé,” November 10, 2011.  My cousins and I are still working on figuring out their children so don’t assume it is completely correct.

Ambrose would be a nephew of my great-grandmother Mary McDonell who married Archibald McDonell, yes they were both McDonells.  Duncan would be Mary’s brother if the lineage is correct.  I will discuss that tangle in a later post.  It appears that Duncan Darby MacDonald who did a lot of research on families in Glengarry, Ontario and my Aunt Nellie have a different take on the lineage in the family?

Switching over to the other side of the family, to Archibald’s side, I was able to determine with help from another cousin that the John McDonell who lived in Sheenboro and was married to Julia with the many last names was Archibald’s brother.  His daughter Theresa married a Hugh Downey and they migrated to Leroy, Saskatchewan.  Of course, I need to do further research to establish this relationship.

I wrote about this in my post for this blog dated March 31, 2012, “A Discovery: Archie’s brother John McDonell, living next door in Sheen.”

Today, I would like to share with you photographs taken by a descendant of Ambrose who has given me permission to share.  These are from the St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery near Leroy, Saskatchewan:

First, the Ambrose and Mary Jane MacDonald family:

St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery, Leroy, Saskatchewan

St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery, Leroy, Saskatchewan

Ambrose and Mary J.

Ambrose and Mary J.

Children of Ambrose and Mary

Children of Ambrose and Mary

Francis George MacDonald 1916 to 1916

Francis George MacDonald 1916 to 1916

Clarence MacDonald 1918 to 1920

Clarence MacDonald 1918 to 1920

Lorena MacDonald 1923 to 1925

Lorena MacDonald 1923 to 1925

UPDATE 6/27/2014:  I have been informed that Leo Clarence MacDonald is buried in Leroy at the Holy Rosary Catholic Cemetery, Leroy, SK. This cemetery is right in the town of Leroy. Go here for more information on this cemetery:

  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/leroy_rosary.html

Leo Clarence MacDonald 1921 to 1990.

Leo Clarence MacDonald 1921 to 1990.

Next is the Hugh and Theresa (McDonell) Downey family in St. Patrick Cemetery are:

Hugh Downey Feb. 23, 1869 to May 12, 1945.

Hugh Downey Feb. 23, 1869 to May 12, 1945.

Theresa Downey Nov. 19, 1868 to Nov. 19, 1938

Theresa Downey Nov. 19, 1868 to Nov. 19, 1938

Joseph Bonaface MacDonald 1903 to 1957

Joseph Boniface MacDonald
1903 to 1957

I was having trouble finding this cemetery on Find A Grave but I will go back and study it later.  They want you to use Saint not St. and it can get confusing.  Now what I need are obituaries for these people.

I did find this cemetery at the Saskatchewan Cemeteries Project:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/leroy_patricks.html

Again, thanks to my cousin for taking and sharing these photos, it is so very cool!


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