Quebec Wanderings: Montreal and the BAnQ…

October 4, 2014

It was fun to watch the day turn to night and the morning dawn in Montreal even though my window was a bit small in my hotel room.

Morning comes to Montreal

Morning comes to Montreal or was this night-time? Giggle!

Today I was going over to Viger Street to explore the BAnQ or if you prefer the Bibliotheque et Archives Nationales Du Quebec.  (I don’t do the accents).

I headed down St. Denis (south-east) and stopped at one of the cafes to buy a sandwich.  I crossed Avenue Rene-Levesque and had to decide which direction to go because they had Rue St. Denis barricaded from this point on. So I turned left (northeast) and headed to Rue Berri which was also barricaded, with one lane left for cars, but I was able to get across it to the other side and I turned right (southeast) and headed down that street to Viger Street.

I was expecting the BAnQ to be on the right side of Viger (south-east) but it was not.  It was on the left side (northeast) and as I was walking I noticed this building seemed very familiar.  It is actually on the corner of Rue Labelle and Avenue Viger.  http://www.banq.qc.ca/accueil/#

The Archives of Quebec - BAnQ

The Archives of Quebec – BAnQ

 

Looking toward the river

Looking toward the river across the street – Place Viger?

I was very early so I sat on the side area up the steps and waited and was just getting comfortable when a lady came up the steps and went inside.  It was cool outside and maybe about to sprinkle so I followed her through the door and it opened up into a large foyer.  I spotted the security guard on the left and walked over to him.  He had me sign in, took my $2.00 coin and gave me a locker key.  He gave me directions to the locker room which was around the corner through the two big doors.  He told me I could wear my jacket but not take my computer bag inside.

The entrance sign

The entrance sign

Archives of Quebec

Archives of Quebec

It took me a while to find my locker and it was very generous in size, not all are.  I prepared myself for my time at this archive and in the locker room area there is a little kitchenette with tables, machines with food and bathrooms.  I headed out to the stairs which were silver metal (yes you make noise when you walk on them) and walked up them to the next level which was filled with tables. It was very wide open with a high ceiling. I turned up some more metal stairs to the lobby area where there were these enormous statues guarding the lovely door to the archives.

Entrance - Archives of Quebec

Entrance – Archives of Quebec

Greeted by one of several statues

Greeted by one of several huge statues…made me think of Rome…

They had nice comfy chairs to sit in while the researches gathered at the door waiting for it to open at 9 am.  One man was standing with his laptop in tucked under his arm and he was apparently impatiently waiting.  Most of the researchers talked quietly in French.

They have done extensive remodeling so the interior is very modern yet you feel comfortable.

Once the door was open the other researchers disappeared quickly…probably to upper floors.  I turned right into the main room.  I found a table and proceeded to explore the area and the stacks.  It was where the genealogy stacks were housed and they had various Drouin collections, church records and more.  It was beautiful in this room for they had retained the old style of it.  It had a high ceiling and you could see the upper levels.  Their was lovely scroll work and columns.  It was all in white.

The librarian was very kind and friendly. He spoke good English.  He answered my questions readily. I told him about my bad experience at the Gatineau branch and he explained that they had the original records but most was on microfilm. So I could do notarial research there at this main branch. I was very happy to hear this.

He would have to prepare a researcher card for me because the microfilm was housed elsewhere in the building.  I was not going to be there that long so I declined.

I then asked him about land records and he referred me to the Registre foncier website. We chatted about this site and that I could sign up to obtain land records.  I knew about this site. I had been to the Palais de Justice in Campbell’s Bay for Pontiac County and she only was able to go back to late 1800’s on the land records.  He mentioned that there had been fires and other things which I cannot remember now.  This is the site:  http://www.registrefoncier.gouv.qc.ca/Sirf/

We talked about notaries and he said the online version is still being added too.  I showed him my copies of the list of notaries and he said that it was a good thing I had that because it was from the book that lists all the notaries throughout Quebec.  I was on the right track.  Quebec does things by French law and a notary is like a lawyer and they do all the legal things like deeds, mortgages, estates, wills, and even marriages and a whole lot more. Anyway, they are organized by notary name and years not by the subject or instrument.  Some day they may be to this point of being able to research by keyword.  So you have to know the name of the notary and where he was located and his time frame.

Online at the BAnQ:  http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/notaires/index.html

Source that I had copies from:

Notaries listed

Notaries listed

I was starting to feel a whole lot better about my Quebec research.  He said that he was there during the week and if I had questions I could call.  They only speak French in Gatineau at least the man behind the counter but I figured he could read it and he did.

Unfortunately, my time was short and I had to head back to the Hotel St. Denis to check out by 12 noon.  I think I just might have to come back to Montreal and now that I know a little more about this city, the archives there, I just might do that.  I wonder if I could stop there on my way to New Brunswick??? Giggle…

The security guard wanted to check all my stuff at the door before he would let me leave.  This was before the locker room.

The BAnQ takes up the whole block

The BAnQ takes up the whole block – along  Rue Labelle

 

The Back door?

The Back door?

 

Hotel Viger is across the street

The sign!

Hotel Viger

Hotel Viger right across the street!

http://www.hotel-viger.com/index.html?viewPage=pages/reservations.php

My time was very short but I was okay with that.  I had really just wanted to see these two archives and get a feel for what they were about.  I am a very visual person so this has helped greatly.  I also feel that I have plenty of research to do which I can do online so I am not too concerned; however, I am considering going back to Montreal.

This looks interesting, perhaps a tour of the harbour?

http://www.oldportofmontreal.com/heritage/history-of-the-old-port.html


Quebec Wanderings: Historic City Center – Old Montreal (Vieux-Montreal)

October 4, 2014

Old Montreal the historic center of the city is not far from my hotel and I could walk to the area. The weather had improved yet it was a little cool and windy.  I had found a website that gave presented a historic walking tour of the area so armed with my maps I headed out to Rene Levesque Street and then turned to head to the Ave L’Hotel de Ville.  As I was walking along I discovered that there were several other hotels not to far down the street.  I spotted a Days Inn, a Holiday Inn Express not to far from where I was on St. Denis.  I think it was the way they looked that intrigued me, because normally these hotels are more spread out.

Other hotels

Other hotels Days Inn, Holiday Inn….

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Holiday Inn Express on the left and another hotel on the right.

I walked along L’Hotel de Ville to a park and then a very large an old building with big wide stairs to climb and it opened out onto the Jacque Cartier Square.   I had lunch at the Restaurant des Gouverneurs  off to the right of the square.  It was a nice ravioli.

Here is a brochure in PDF of a walking tour of Old Montreal:

http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/mus_attr/pdf/attr_09a.pdf

So you could plan out a really nice tour of the area. I ended up wandering around. http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/tour/eng/0cartea.htm

Jacques Cartier Square

Jacques Cartier Square, he is on the top of the tall monument!

Jacques Cartier and more

Jacques Cartier and more

More of the square

More of the square

Statues of course

Statues of course

Old Montreal…enjoy!  To get inside some of the shops you had to climb up very steep stairs.  You know me and stairs, HA!

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The Musee Pointe-a-Calliere

The Musee Pointe-a-Calliere

http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/en/home

Heading back to my hotel…

The church rang its bell

The church rang its bell..bong…

Notre Dame

Notre Dame – behind this was the parish office…hmmm…what treasures would be there!

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Wonderful cakes and a Christmas Shoppe!

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Below:  A wine shop where I bought a very nice Quebec Wine “Frontenac” 2012 by Vignoble de l’ Orpailleur:  http://orpailleur.ca/en/

Wine Shop in this hotel

Wine Shop in this hotel

Montreal's Palais de Justice

Montreal a Palais de Justice, seems I saw several?

Chinatown was about 1 block long:

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There is so much more to explore in Old Montreal, it could take a good week! Not to mention all the history in this area.  I wanted to know where the immigrants came in to the harbour but apparently they have replaced the area with a marina.  This link walks you through the history of Old Montreal:   http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/tour/etape1/eng/1fena.htm

Here is a slide show for you to enjoy, just click on the first photo and it will open.  The close button may be in your left corner find the X:


Quebec Wanderings: Montreal & The Grande Bibliotheque

October 3, 2014

When I plan a trip I make an itinerary based on the hours of an archive and then I usually follow it but I decided because of the weather to change things around.  I would go to the Grand Bibliotheque in the morning and then if weather was good go to Old Montreal (Vieux-Montreal) an explore.

http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/eng/accueila.htm

The Grande Bibliotheque (GB) is part of the National Archives of Quebec.  This is my understanding of how it works.  Here is the link to their website.  I have it translated into English automatically for me.  To get to the GB I headed north on St. Denis, then right on St. Catherine and over to Rue Berri and up two blocks.

http://www.banq.qc.ca/accueil/ and here is a little more information at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Biblioth%C3%A8que

The Grande Bibliotheque

The Grande Bibliotheque in the distance.

Getting closer

Getting closer

The entrance to the GB

The entrance to the GB

Information board

Information board

The main hallway GB

The main hallway GB

It was about this time the security guard told me to not take pictures of the people. I promised so this is the only one and they are of the security guards. HA!

There are several floors to this library and you turn left into the main area.  In the center are the stairs and the elevator in glass.

Elevator shaft

Elevator area

I wandered this main floor and it is very nicely laid out with stacks and areas to study.  Each floor has a reference desk.  I took the elevator to the 3rd floor which housed the history section.  There was a very nice book reference area with some books relevant to genealogy and of course maps. Most libraries spread things out so you do have to hunt for it in the reference areas, stacks and more.

Reference stacks 3rd floor

Reference stacks 3rd floor

I wandered some more among the book stacks and decided to see what would happen if I used the reference desk.  I asked the librarian about the genealogy section. He of course, greeted me in French and I said “English” please. He said they had small selection at 929…but the main one was the Collection Nationale on the first floor and at the Archives of Quebec which is a totally different building on Viger Street.  I knew this but was curious as to his response.  He was very pleasant and I did not have a problem speaking with or understanding him.

Finding 929 in the stacks was not that hard and they did have a small collection under 929…probably 929.107….or 929.207…The more and more I play with the catalogue the more and more I start to get see how they structure things.  I can then determine where they house things and in which repository is it in.   This is GB’s catalogue not Pistard another search tool.

Genealogy section at GB

Genealogy section at GB

My curiosity satisfied I headed to the first floor using the librarian’s directions. The Collection Nationale was on the first floor at the very end of the building from where I had entered earlier.

I took a moment trying to decide if I should go in.  There was a book many years ago titled “Feel the Fear…do it anyway!” I took a deep breath thought about the 2200 miles I had come and walked through the doors.

Please notice the walls and the slat design for it is prevalent throughout the library. There was a various curious structure to the left.  It was like a tiered study area filled with students.

Entrance to the Collection Nationale at GB.

Entrance to the Collection Nationale at GB.

Looking back

Looking back from toward where I came in…

The seated security guard in the Collection was on the right.  He wanted my identification to keep and he gave me a locker key.  I was told that I could not take my computer case in but I could take my computer and research.  I could not take my coat in to the collection so it was a good thing I had my sweater on.  I found my locker in the locker room to his left and gathered my stuff as I usually do for an archive like this.  I also reluctantly put my Sony digital camera away…it was not allowed. So sorry no pictures,

I walked through the scanners and headed into the library area.  I found lots of tables with library lamps on them and faced toward the reference desk and entrance. I then walked around and looked at the stacks,  and saw the microfilm cabinets to the left.  The reference desk was at the front by the entrance door to the right of the security desk.  The room was lovely and nicely laid out.  There was a staircase along the one wall as I faced the reference desk. It was on my left.  There was a rope closing it off.  Exploring some more I found the copiers, the bathrooms and an elevator.

Returning to my desk area, I found a card placed on it about personal property being stolen and it had been put there by the same security guard who had told me about not taking pictures of people.

I sat down.  This was one of the strictest archives I had ever been in.

I sat there looking around an observing the structure of the collection room and began to realize that there were three floors.  If you looked above you the ceiling was very high and there were these slated walls on all four sides but you could see book stacks in between. HA!

The catalog computers were along the side by the big staircase and I consulted them to determine were 929…would be in this collection. I needed to go to the third floor for the genealogy section.  I tried the elevator but no luck.  I asked at the desk if I could go upstairs and was escorted to the elevator by the librarian.  He entered the elevator with me and used his pass to activate it.  Did I mention they are very strict?

At this link that explains the Collection Nationale is a picture of the room.  It is truly beautiful.

http://www.banq.qc.ca/collections/collections_patrimoniales/collection_nationale/

Remember the stairs, well on the third floor is the genealogy collection again using 929….and I counted about 4 rows of stacks with Drouin, church record books, and more.

http://www.banq.qc.ca/archives/genealogie_histoire_familiale/ressources/

The collection is at the top end of the staircase in the corner.  Now I do not believe this is all they have.  On this top floor they had photocopiers, and microfilm readers and more as well. As i was studying these stacks for their content that same security guard walked by.  He sure gets around.

When I used the catalog online at their website it would bring up my choice and then tell me in which building I could find a copy.  It could be in the GB or another one of the branches of the Archives of Quebec.  http://www.banq.qc.ca/aide/information_generale/plans/#rosemont  or http://www.banq.qc.ca/archives/entrez_archives/centres_archives/index.html

My curiously somewhat satisfied I asked to go back down and the librarian had to take me to the first floor of the Collection Nationale.  I was planning to visit the Bibliotheque Archives du nationale du Quebec (BAnQ) the next day.

It was now 11 am and I had gotten far more involved with trying to discover the secrets of the Grand Bibliotheque of Quebec.  I needed to head back to my hotel for the next adventure.

I found this article about doing genealogy in Montreal and I am sharing it with you at this time.  It is a little old but it is a good starting place:  http://www.nnyacgs.com/beauregard.html

Another possibility is “Planning a Genealogical Trip to Montreal,” by Paul Leclerc, BA, BSc.  It was helpful in identifying the sources to use but not real helpful in explaining where to find them and how to access them but it was done in 2003 so it is old. It was through Heritage Productions.

The Quebec Family History Society also has helpful articles about the records at their website:

http://www.qfhs.ca/

It is my understanding that since the GB was built Quebec has done a lot of consolidating of their holdings.  So the articles I have listed above might not reflect that change.


Quebec Wanderings: A Visit to Montreal

October 2, 2014

It was about 1 pm and I headed out to drive into Montreal.  I had studied my maps and Google Earth to make sure I knew what I was doing.  Don’t want to scare the locals.  HA!

I decided to go the city streets rather than the freeways.  I went up Blvd. St. Jean to Hymus and turned right.  I ran into another barricade which took me close to Hwy 40 and fortunately it ended at an exit.  I had to move over quick to get back on Hymus.  I drove on Hymus till it got came to #40 and it crossed over and became Blvd. Henri-Bourassa.   About 8 miles later I turned onto Blvd. de L’Acadie.  It was very tricky to keep going on this street for there is a little round about over #40 and I had to get over to the right or I might have been on my way to Quebec City.  Fortunately, I managed to get over and to stay on L’Acadie just fine.  I found Rue Jean Talon and turned left and followed it out.

My goal was the Jean Talon Market, recommended by a friend who lives in Gatineau. I turned right onto Ave. Henri-Julien and there was a big truck blocking the road.  I managed to get around and find the underground garage entrance.  I was surprised to find that it was not full of cars and grateful.  I found my space and reflected on the fact that I had made it into Montreal safely. Breathe girl…I took the stairs up into the market.

I entered at the east side and there was a wonderful kitchen shop in the corner with the items labeled in French.

Jean Talon Market, Montreal

Jean Talon Market, Montreal

A shop area

A shop area

Cheese

Cheese to choose from…I was tempted

Part of the market is covered.

Part of the market is covered.

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 More restaurants to explore

The top of the market

More restaurants beside the market

More restaurants beside the market

As I wandering around I noticed that the people were outside keeping watch on their stalls of produce and I pondered that winter is coming and whether this market is open all year around?  I think they have to be very hearty people because it was cool a slight bite in the wind.

The only thing missing was flying fish?  The Seattle Public Market (Pike Place) is known for the fish throwing. http://www.pikeplacefish.com/

Google Images has some great photos of the Jean Talon market.  Have fun!

I was getting hungry and decided that I would have something to eat but it was very difficult to decide.  I found a Mexican Restaurant among the buildings along probably the north side of the market.  They were speaking French, Spanish and English in this restaurant.  My lunch was wonderful, the best burrito ever and the waitress was very kind to me.  It was the El Rey Del Taco Restaurant where I had lunch.  The fancy topping is sour cream. They kindly put the hot sauces on the side for me.  In addition to the restaurant they had a grocery area packed with stuff.

Lunch was delicious

Lunch was delicious

The Rue St. Denis is a main street in the middle of Montreal and it is one way going southeast?  I had a list of the cross streets ready and the GPS Garamond sat there on the dash assisting me.  It was about 3 miles into the city from the market and I found the Hotel St. Denis just fine just below Rue St. Catherine W.  I was unable to use the parking area outside the hotel and parked in a no parking zone.  A big van had pretty much taken up the space so it would have been impossible for me to park there with my Corolla and parallel parking is not a strong need in my part of the world.  Fortunately the spot was for a theatre and it was not busy at the time.

Much to my frustration the Hotel St. Denis lost my reservation and I had to go and get my confirmation number to show them.  So it took a good 20-30 minutes to get the mess straightened out.  I went out to the street checking on my car, I did not want another ticket for parking.  I did that in Toronto.  I gathered my stuff and put that on a chair in the lobby.  There were two other guests and the guy gave her a card that didn’t work – debit?

Anyway they finally decided to redo my reservation to a new one and got me a room on the 4th floor. I then got a garage card and went to park the car in the underground parking around the corner on Christian.  They had specific parking stalls for the Hotel St. Denis.

Hotel St. Denis, Montreal

Hotel St. Denis, Montreal

I gathered my things in the lobby and headed to my room and settled in.

I had made it into Montreal.  I DID IT!

The rest of the day I could take it easy and relax.  My window in my room was small and taken up by an air conditioner so I could not get a really good view of the city.  So you see the skyline in the photo below.  At least I could see how the weather was doing.  Across from the hotel is the McGill University buildings which are not that interesting. They have taken up a great deal of that area of the city.  Pacini and another cafe on the other side of the hotel had closed.  Fortunately, there were other cafes down the street. I would manage.

So my car was safely parked for the duration of my stay in Montreal.  I would walk to where I wanted to go which was going to be just fine.

Montreal Skyline

Montreal Skyline from my hotel window…

My room was comfortable and clean.  I had a Keurig Coffee maker with coffee packs, and to my surprise a refrigerator.  The bathroom was very odd.  The sink was in the entry way and the shower and toilet were in a small room with a huge door. The bed was comfy and I had a flat screen TV.

I turned it on and was introduced to Quebec Cartoons.  If anyone knows the name of this carton please contact me.  It was so cute and in French!  I think my grand-daughter should learn French, she is turning 1-year-old.  Her mom knows at least 3 languages…

Quebec Cartoon

Quebec Cartoon

Dinner was at the Restaurant Denis down the street on Blvd. Rene-Leveresque.  It was comfort food and a lot of it.  The waitress didn’t think I had eaten anything but I had two of the three pieces of steak.  They put gravy on my steak….HA!

Denis Restaurant

Restaurant Denis

I settled in at my hotel room and listened to the sounds of Montreal…trucks on the street, traffic and sirens…it got quiet as the night came up.


Quebec Wanderings: The Quebec Family History Society

October 2, 2014

The Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire or maybe it is Lake Heights, is right on a busy street called Blvd. St. Jean and there are many shops like Target and I think I see an IGA.  My window on the 2nd floor looked out on the street so I could watch the cars stream by and the night come on.  I was surprised it was as busy as it was for a Sunday.

My goal on Monday, September 22 was the Quebec Family History Society:  http://www.qfhs.ca/   I hope that the barricade is not going to cause me problems in getting to this society which opens at 10 am.

I headed south on Blvd. St. Jean till I got to Lakeview Blvd. and turned right.  I then turned right onto Waverly Rd. and left onto Salisbury Rd. and it brought me to Avenue Cartier.  It was a great relief to see that I had options for parking in the area.  It was limited by 2 hours but that was okay with me.  I could move the car to another part of the street if I needed.  I found a place on the street going north so I was on the same side of the road as the Society.

My preference is for the streets and country roads but you can take Hwy 40 and or Hwy 20 to Pointe-Claire and the QFHS.  It is closer to Hwy 20.  QFHS  is located on the western side of the Montreal Airport.

I have known about the Quebec Family History Society for years because I purchased from them two cemetery books for Pontiac County years ago.  They also had a table at the Ontario Genealogical Society Conference in Kingston which I had stopped by to visit.

I entered the building and found the door to the archive open so I went on in and a man was seated at a table.  I inquired if they were open because I was about 25 minutes early.  He said yes.  So I went back out to retrieve my computer bag and research.  It was within minutes another volunteer arrived. I signed in and paid my $10.00 research fee as a non-member.

Quebec Family History Society entrance

Quebec Family History Society entrance

Out front of the QFHS

Out front of the QFHS

QFHS Treasures

QFHS Treasures only one room of several…

I was greeted by Jacques and Barbara.  Jacques gave me some tips on the Drouin Collection and made copies of some possible church registers I could study for more clues from a big thick Drouin Book he had.

Source:  Inventaire des 2365 microfilms du Fonds Drouin, tome II, (Inventaire des registres d’estat civil catholiques et autres denomiations) Province de Quebec, partie descriptive (A-M) par Jean-Pierre-Yves Pepin, Les Editions historiques et genealogiques Pepin/Drouin collection Notre Patrimonie national no. 2.  (I did not add the accents). 

Barbara help orient me and I asked her about how the settlers came into Canada.  The St. Lawrence was open from Quebec City to Montreal so they could disembark at both locations. However, after Montreal there were rapids.  She mentioned Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue and that there were locks there. I had just driven through there the day before, darn!  The immigrants would have to take a smaller boat to use these locks to go up the Ottawa River.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/lhn-nhs/qc/annedebellevue/index.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue_Canal

To go further up the St. Lawrence River here is a link that talks about the system today:

http://www.greatlakes-seaway.com/en/seaway/locks/

I can see that this has opened up a whole new world of interesting research for me.  This PDF looks promising.  I need to get back further and into time periods to understand how they used the St. Lawrence to get to other parts of Canada.

http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/Portals/69/docs/GreatLakesInfo/docs/DischargeMeasurement/BlueBook/BlueBook-AppendixB/AppendixB-Part6-StLawrenceRiver.pdf

The reason I am interested in how the immigrants/settlers traveled in from 1780 to 1860 into Canada is because my ancestors must have taken these routes at some time or other.  I will investigate this topic and probably write about it for it is of great interest to me.

Meanwhile I had to focus and get some research done.  I asked Barbara about land records and she encouraged me to go to the Archives of Quebec (ANQ) in Montreal and that they would help. Her encouragement made me feel a whole lot better about visiting that archive.

Their Cemetery Stack

Their Cemetery Stack

The next was to search their cemetery records for Pontiac County, Quebec.  I wanted to look at Starks Corner’s cemeteries. They had two big large binders to go through.  I studied the Starks Corner Community Cemetery in Clarendon Twp., Pontiac Co., Quebec and I did not find any McD’s at all. Barbara was looking through another binder of Pontiac Cemeteries and found a lone monument article.

Source:  St.-Alexandre Des Cheanux Roman Catholic Cemetery (also known as Ste-Melanie de Clarendon Roman Catholic Cemetery) Lot 24 Range 1, Clarendon Twp. recorded 1992.

In 1840 Alexander McDonell donated an eight acre plot of land for a Roman Catholic Chapel and Cemetery to be built, the nearest being…. Calumet Island.  It became the burial place of Alexander McDonell 1842 and his wife Janet 1847.  Their son Ranald drowned and is buried there with them 1854 at age 68 yrs.”

There will be more on this burial in a future post.  I can’t believe I drove right by there at least four times on my trip to the area in 2012.  I was going into Shawville from Renfrew (town) to the Pontiac Archives for several days.  I have no memory of this memorial or cemetery, however, I was targeting the upper areas of the Pontiac and Renfrew County and not really taking a serious look at the lower townships like Clarendon.  Hmmm….I think I need to rethink that strategy.  This is very important news, of course at that time I probably would not have recognized who these people were. This has everything to do with Mr. MacDonald’s Charts in his Part IV book, the charts #13.

They are oriented towards the English-speaking settlers in Quebec but they are expanding their holdings to include the French Canadian research. They go beyond this to the British Isles as well.  You can read their About page for more information.

Barbara pulled as much of the Pontiac County items they had and I did a quick review. Again there holdings were heavy in cemeteries of the county with two big binders to study. I encourage anyone who has Pontiac County, Quebec roots to donate your family tree and your books to them. Here is their website link again, and I have found it to be easy to get around and find things:

http://www.qfhs.ca/about.php

I was having too much fun at the Quebec Family History Society but it was time to make the journey into Montreal.  I am very glad I visited this society.  I gave them a McDonald Booklet based on this blog.  Jacques saw it and mentioned that he had been to my website several times.  I was flattered.

A big thanks to Barbara and Jacques.  They were both very kind and it is a great place to do research. My four hours was not enough time. Sigh!


Quebec Wanderings: Lancaster to Pointe-Claire, Quebec…

October 1, 2014

There is a gas station, store and Denny’s on the north side of 401 at Lancaster, Ontario. One stop shopping.  This time they didn’t have any good Canadian T-shirts for me to buy, grrrr….  I did ask for help in checking the oil in my rental car and they had an attendant.  It was good.

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

The Truck Stop in Lancaster

On my last trip I had planned to go into Montreal but I was too tired and decided instead to concentrate on Glengarry and visit as many of the churches and cemeteries as I could.  So I cancelled my reservations in Quebec and found the Monte Carlo Motel on Hwy 2 in Cornwall and luckily they had a room.  So I stayed there for one night and was able to tour around the Glengarry area before I headed back to Ottawa to return the car and fly home.

I had dinner one of the evenings at the Blue Anchor Bar and Grill and this big ship came chugging by.  They don’t mess around for it was gone in about 20 minutes.

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

Big Tanker on the St. Lawrence

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

View from the Blue Anchor Bar & Grill

This time I was determined to make it to Quebec and Montreal.  So on Sunday, September 21 I headed to Pointe-Claire, Quebec.  After breakfast at the Denny’s I filled up the tank with gas and I headed east on Hwy 2 and immediately ran into a barricade.  I then had to find the detour which took me to the south side of 401 and the Service Road.  I followed that out and was back on Hwy 2 soon.  It was not great traveling weather as you can see from the photo below.

Morning on the St. Lawrence

Morning on the St. Lawrence at the Monte Carlo

I entered Quebec and the sign changed from Hwy 2 to Hwy 338.  I passed through several towns Les Coteaux and Coteau-du-Lac.  The name of the road changed to Chemin du Canal. It is called the Soulange Canal which flows along this area. It is very straight and it was raining as I drove by.

I was soon in Pointe-des-Cascades and I wandered around that little town for a while.  People were out walking their dogs or should I say…le chien.  I saw this cat, la chat, running across this park and it looked like it was pursuing the man and his dog.  Cats do like to go for walks too, my Puffer often followed me.

The road curves north at Pointe-des-Cascades and I found a little side road that took me where I could take pictures of the Ottawa River (Outaouais).  This is where the Ottawa meets the St. Lawrence. There were many lovely homes along this road.  It was very dark, dreary and rainy.

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338

The Ottawa River off of Hwy 338 – Quebec

Hwy 338 took me up to Hwy 20 and I crossed over the Outaouais River to Perrot Island. Sainte-Anne de Bellevue came up very quick and I turned off to follow the Chemin Lakeshore road.

What a kick! This was a small two lane road that stopped about every 2 blocks (Arret) with a stop sign.  There were houses and some where like little castles, small green parks and views of the St. Lawrence or Lac St. Louis, small towns areas like Baie d’Urte. I kept following this road till it brought me to Beaconsfield.  The road from there became the Beaconsfield Blvd.  I stopped to get some supplies and found this wonderful cream for my coffee.  It was labeled in French so I had to figure out if it was whipping cream by the little drawings on it and I picked the other offer.

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

A glimpse of the St. Lawrence River

Unfortunately, I ran into another barricade and had to do a detour which took me around restaurants like the Ye Old Orchard that I had wanted to visit.  The detour finally brought me back to Blvd. St. Jean.  This is where I needed to turn north and head for the Comfort Inn.  Boy was I was really early.  The clock said 11:30 am much earlier than I had anticipated I would get there but then the weather was so bad I didn’t stop to take more photos.

I continued up Blvd. St. Jean and it changed from two lanes to four lanes and things got real busy.  I turned on Holiday St. into the Comfort Inn parking lot just below Hwy 40 near Blvd. Hymus.  The room was ready so I settled in and did the laundry and worked on my blog posts and rested. The next day would be a big day at the Quebec Family History Society and then I would drive into Montreal.

Remember to breath kiddo…yeah I was a little intimidated.  Here is the view from my hotel window.  I had fun watching the traffic and the day end and then checking the street in the wee hours to see it empty.

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec

The area around the Comfort Inn in Pointe-Claire, Quebec


Sources to use for Untangling McDonell, MacDonald, MacDonell & McDonald families….

September 2, 2014
St. Raphael's the 1st 50 years.

St. Raphael’s the 1st 50 years.

Mr. Duncan Darby MacDonald of the MacDonald Research centre in Brockville was the author of many books on Glengarry, Stormont and other counties in the Eastern area of Ontario.

Around 1999 and 2000, I emailed the MacDonald Research Centre about my family surname of MacDonald/McDonald/Macdonell and told Mr. MacDonald about the family and the births of my grandparents and their children in Chichester and Allumette area of the Upper Ottawa River.  I do not have a copy of the email anymore.  He growled at me, if you can growl in an email.  I tried several times to communicate but failed and backed off. I was very new back then to genealogy and that is not the case now.  I know a lot more about my family.

Mr. MacDonald passed away about 2006 and I have learned from an obituary notice that he was known as “Old Crusty.”  It is a very nice obituary for him at the Loyalist website:  http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Trails/2006/Loyalist-Trails-2006.php?issue=200647 You will have to scroll to the bottom.

You really cannot do any research on Glengarry County, Ontario without running into Mr. MacDonald’s works. I have seen them under Duncan Darby MacDonald, Darby MacDonald, William Harold MacDonald and other variations. He is probably better known for his church registers which you can find just about everywhere.

Here are two possible options using “Duncan MacDonald”

http://globalgenealogy.com/cgi-bin/htsearch  This gave me 50 hits.  Now Global Genealogy has taken over his estate where his publications are concerned so they can sell them.

With the use of “Darby MacDonald” or “Duncan Darby MacDonald”  in their search engine you get 25 hits.

http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed139.htm

Here is a list at the Family History Library there are 4 under Duncan Darby MacDonald and 56 under MacDonald, Duncan W. (Duncan William Harold) 1933.

The Toronto Public Library you get 137 hits on Duncan MacDonald, and 86 on Darby MacDonald.  http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?Ntt=Duncan+MacDonald  Most of these titles are at the North York Branch in their Canadiana room on the 6th floor.

The Cornwall Public Library in Cornwall, Ont.  – Cornwall Room and I get 16 hits on Duncan MacDonald and 11 on his full name.  The Cornwall Room hours are limited so you need to check with the librarian about the days and times.

The Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry County Library has 32 of his titles and they can be in different branches so you need to check their website.

The Ottawa Public Library has 27 of Mr. MacDonald’s titles.  They have their history room with restricted hours so check before you go.

Why am I telling you all this?  I am telling you this so if you need to find a copy to consult you have an idea of where to look and how to look for his titles.  I probably will be revisiting his books on my next trip to Ontario and Quebec this Fall.  Now these books are not the originals and you really need to go to the church records if you can and seek sources to support the charts.

Now he is not the only one, Alex Fraser is another who has compiled and written a lot of books you may want to consult:  http://www.glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

You can do the same with Alex’s titles and name as I did with Mr. MacDonald.  I believe the Lancaster Library in Lancaster, Ontario has a nice collection.

I actually used both Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Fraser’s books to design my visits to the various cemeteries on my Touring Glengarry posts on this blog.  I was pretty thorough but missed a few of the very small cemeteries.

In this post I want to concentrate on the genealogical charts Mr. MacDonald created. Truly they are a labor of love and dedication on his part.  I have tried to decipher them and have not been very successful.  Here is a summary of what I know.

There are several Volumes to the genealogical charts: They all have at the top this beginning:  Scotland’s Migrations to North America. Early Settlers to Upper Canada (Eastern Ontario) Stormont & Glengarry, by Duncan Darby MacDonald.  They all have a table of contents.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

Part IV Genealogical Charts.

These were found at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City:

1.  A collection of genealogical charts, part I – covered only the MacDonell Families of “Leek,” “Cullachie,” and Abercalder,” as well as “Greenfield.”  Long out of print and updated in 3rd edition of Part – IV, see below.  FHL#929.271 M145m pt 1.  On 3 Fiche FHL#6049681  It is under the title of: The MacDonalds or MacDonells of Glengarry: and other genealogies in the Family Search Catalog and it says a digital version is available but it is not letting me view it.  I don’t have sufficient rights?

2. A collection of genealogical charts, part II, 1991 covers families in an around Cornwall, and St. Andrews (Stormont County), and a large section on MacDonell/MacDonald family. FHL#971.376 D2 Book form only.

3.  A collection of genealogical charts, part III, 1992 – Genealogies of families primarily from the counties of Stormont and Glengarry, Ontario.  FHL#971.37 D2m.  Additional descriptive information indicates this covers the families of Newington, Osnbruck and Cornwall with very few Scottish connections.  Also on FHL#1697932 Item 2.

4.  **A collection of genealogical charts  Part-IV, 3rd Edition, ISBN O-921133-39-1.  Much of the earlier work done by Daniel F. McDonald of Bristol, Conn and other members of his family at Bridgend (Stone Villa) Lancaster.  A second edition was published in 1988 and the 3rd in 1993.  FHL#971.37 D2, book only.  

5.  A collection of genealogical charts, part V was updated in a 2nd edition in 1989 and covers the families of MacMillan.   It is under The MacMillan’s: and other genealogies, FHL#929.271 M228  This one also says a digital version is available but when I click I get, not sufficient rights?  Also on microfilm FHL# 169771 Item 17.

Neil McGillis suggested I look at Duncan’s chart No. 13 page 724 sheet 3 we have the Lundie MacDonells. So I consulted my collection of Mr. MacDonald’s charts and found I did not have this chart #13, which turns out to be about 15 pages of charts starting on page 721 and going through to 735.  You will find these charts in Part -IV.

I shared about this specific chart in the post I wrote on August 26, 2014 titled: Revisiting:  Ronald (Ranald) and Janet McDonell – The Lundie Family Connection.  

The Janet who married Ronald is part of the Lundie Family through her father and mother John and Flora McDonell.  They appear on the chart.

I took it a step further and I found a copy of this book Part IV at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City in October 0f 2013 and there on Chart 13, sheet 5, page 73A are the names of my great grandparents Archibald and Mary McDonell, who I have posted about a great deal in this blog. Sigh…all these years and there it was…

I had wondered why my Kennedy cousin who gave me a copy of his chart when we had dinner on their outside street porch at D’Arcy Mcgee’s in Ottawa was so odd.  Well, as I gazed on this chart by Mr. MacDonald, I saw it was similar.

The 14 pages I copied have a lot more in them and it is pretty amazing. I am so glad I traveled both sides of the Upper Ottawa River back in 2012.  As I study Mr. MacDonald’s pages I have plenty to share in future posts.

Unfortunately, my grand Aunt Nellie’s chart on her mother Mary’s side does not agree with Mr. MacDonald’s and he has Mary’s parents as Angus and Janet rather than Alexander John MacDonell and Ellen McPherson.

Mr. MacDonald writes in his books comments like he placed in his Part IV, 3rd Edition at the beginning.

 “There will be errors and omissions and we look to other researchers and family members to bring these to my attention so that the records we leave for future generations will be correct.”

Apparently it was not meant to be for Duncan and me to connect.  However, I have met other researchers like Mr. McGillis and am so grateful to you all for going before me.  Thanks.  It is not easy to untangle McD’s heritage in Ontario, Canada.


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