Touring Glengarry: Glengarry Archives & the Sir John Johnson House

June 26, 2012

Ever since my Aunt Miriam wrote in her notes that Archibald McDonell, my great-grandfather, might have come from Glengarry, Ontario I have been fascinated.  So I have tried to learn as much as I can about the history and the area of Glengarry.   The information below implies that he grew up in Glengarry…hmmm?

Archibald & Glengarry, Ontario

I begin my tour with the Glengarry Archives which is housed in the Sir John Johnson House in Williamstown in what was Charlottenburgh Township and is now part of South Glengarry.  I had emailed and made an appointment at 10 am on Monday, June 4, 2012.  They are not open very many hours so it is wise to contact them before you go for a visit.   Here is their official website:  http://www.glengarryarchives.ca/

I began my tour from Brookdale Avenue in Cornwall.  There is a roundabout and then you have to watch closely or you might be on your way to New York and cross that big bridge.  I did good for my 1st time and made my way down 2nd Ave E. to Boundary Road (Hwy 44). Crossing Boundary Road, I was officially in Glengarry.  I turned right and came to Hwy 2 and drove along that amazing section of highway.

I think I fell in love with Hwy #2 in this area east of Cornwall. Do you think this is what caught the fancy of our ancestors?  This section of Hwy #2 is right along the St. Lawrence River?

The St. Lawrence and Hwy #2

I drove through Glen Walter and turned left at Summerstown heading north on Hwy #27.  The weather was a little stormy.  I turned onto Gore Road and immediately encountered a gravel road.  There were houses along this road.  There were fields stretching to my right and it was so green.  I could barely keep my eyes on the road because it was lovely.  The sky was dark and threatening and it was pouring rain.  I wanted to stop but I had an appointment to get too. I turned north on Kraft Road and it too was gravel.  It took me to Hwy #19.  I went to the right and came to Williamstown.

Williamstown welcomes you!

The book by Dorothy Drumbrille “Up and Down the Glens” truly came to mind.  I wish I had more time to absorb her stories and understand them. I obtained my copy at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City.  So far I have not found a copy online that you can read.  They are for sale at various online book websites.

Ms. Dumbrille wrote affectionately and romantically about Glengarry County in 1954.  Her book was charming and nostalgic.  As I drove through Williamstown I can understand now.  It is quiet, lazy, sweet and gentle. It is old and steeped in history.  I was charmed and delighted.

Looking southwest from the Sir John Johnson Manor

I made my way to the Glengarry Archives.  I followed the signs.  I turned onto Williams St. which lead me to the Sir John Johnston house. You enter from the rear of the house and drive around to a parking lot.  You could drive up to the front of house but something told me not too.

Sir John Johnson’s Home

It was about 10 minutes to 10 am so I just enjoyed the beautiful setting and read the presentation boards:

The plaque outside the Sir John Johnson House

Next to it was another presentation board with additional information:

A little more about Sir John Johnson

They also provided a map of the area explaining how it use to be (click the photo and it will enlarge, click your back button to return to this blog):

The area today!

At exactly 10 am a car drove up to the front of the house.  It was Penny.  She is the person who you email when you wish to contact the Glengarry Archives.

As usual when you first enter an archive it is a little disorienting.  I spent most of the time talking to Penny and explaining my family history.  I gave her a copy of my McDonald booklet.  At one point she consulted the Internet and found this blog.  I was touched.

For some reason when you tell a person that you are researching McDonell/MacDonald/Macdonnell etc. they laugh.  After awhile Penny started to shake her head at all the McDonell’s in my family line.  I was relieved that even she would find it all frustrating and confusing just like I did.  I usually get a knot in my stomach.  Well it was obvious that I had more work ahead of me to try to figure out about Archibald McDonell and his wife Mary McDonell (yes she was a McDonell too).  Mary’s parents Alexander John and Ellen (McPherson) McDonell.

I had left a seed and hopefully it will germinate and grown. I really didn’t expect them to give me a full family history.  It is not going to be easy to find that one piece of information that will connect my family.

Sometimes amazing things happen.  There was a map on the wall in their book area and I was coveting it.  Penny had found it at a real estate office and just pulled it off the wall and gave it too me.  WOW!  I love maps and this was wonderful because it would help me to tour Glengarry.  I have that map and will treasure it.  It reads:  Compliments of Royal LePage, M. Jean Cameron Real Estate Broker.  What a great idea, I never thought of a real estate office having maps.

I am grateful to Penny and Alicia for their interest and help and I thank them for their time.

I couldn’t believe that I had been there a full two hours but it was time to go.

What you see when you exit the Sir John Johnson Manor


Revisiting: Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson

April 12, 2012

Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson are my 2nd great grandparents and the parents of Mary McDonald my great-grandmother and Keith, my dad’s, grandparents.

I have tended to be focused on Archibald and Mary McDonell, their siblings and descendants.

My trip to Ontario and Quebec is in full planning stages and that means it is time to focus on great-grandmother Mary’s side of the family, specifically her parents.

In the post dated December 3, 2010 “McDonell and McDonell Marriage!” you will find the marriage record of Archibald and Mary McDonell as written in the records of the St. Alphonsus Catholic Church in Chapeau.  In that record Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson are given as the parents of Mary.   In this marriage record the Bishop of Bytown Msgr. Guignes gave his approval.  Were Archibald and Mary cousins at some level?  I have seen these records with mention of consanguinity but this marriage record just states in general terms that it is all okay?  I believe approval is sought when the couple are above the level of 3rd cousins?  What kind of documentation is submitted?  Who keeps these types of records and do they survive?

Alexander John McDonell appears in the 1861 census with some of  his children but his wife Ellen is missing.   Let’s review that census:  1861 Canadian Census for Chichester Township, Pontiac Co., Quebec pg. 2.

Line 36 Chichester Twp. Rachel McDonell, born LC, Catholic, age 23, female. Line 37 Alex Jno McDonell, Farmer, born U.C., Catholic, age 66 male; line 38 Mary McDonell born U.C., Catholic, age 25, female; Line 39, Duncan McDonald, Laborer, born L.C., Catholic, age 19, male; Line 40, Finlay McDonell born L.C., Catholic, age 16, male.

If we subtract 66 years from 1861 we get back to 1795 for the birth of Alexander John and the census has U.C. for his birthplace.  Mary, my great-grandmother is 25 years old in this census so that means she was born about 1836.  Her death record from Minnesota states that she was born 13 Mar 1840.  Hmmm…?  This census also states that she was born in U.C.

If you study the census further you see that Rachel is born in LC, Duncan in LC and Finlay in LC.  Does this suggest that Alexander came to the area sometime after Mary’s birth

Unfortunately, I cannot find Alexander John McDonell in the 1851 census for Pontiac nor pin him down in any other location. Of course the 1851 Pontiac census has a lot of missing sections including Allumette and other parts of Canada.

I have studied the cemetery records in Pontiac and cannot find his burial nor Ellen’s burial location.  I can understand why Ellen’s stone might be missing if she died elsewhere or earlier than 1860 but the loss of Alexander Johns to me is a little puzzling?

My great Aunt Nellie was the informant on her mother Mary’s death certificate from Minnesota and she has Alex McDonald and Mary McPherson both born in Scotland as the parents, yet her charts indicate Alexander John and Ellen as the names?  I refer you to the post dated July 21, 2011 “Nellie’s Charts – Her Mother Mary McDonell’s Family!”

I did find a curious marriage record in the Drouin collection for St. Andrew’s West in Stormont. It has an Alexander McDonell marrying a Nellie McPherson in 1822.  My great Aunt Nellie was really Ellen Elizabeth formally.   I still need to do some more work on this find in order to confirm it is the couple I seek.

An Alexander John McDonell appears right under Archibald in the agricultural part of the 1861 census for Pontiac Co., Quebec.  I don’t believe it is online at Ancestry?  This part of the census was at the back of the film at the Family History Library (FHL).

Line 37 Alex. John McDonell

  • Concession or Range: 6
  • Lot or Part of Lot:  40, 41
  • Number of Acres – 150
  • Number of acres under cultivation:  36
  • Number of acres of land under crops in 1860: 36
  • Number of acres of land under wood or wild:  114
  • Column 10:  Cash Value of Farm:  320
  • Column 11:  Cash Value of Furnishings: 38
  • Column 12:  Fall wheat in acres:  2
  • Column 13: Fall wheat – produce in bushels: 40
  • Column 14.  Spring wheat produce in bushels: 3
  • Column 15. Spring Wheat bushels: 30
  • Column 18:  Rye acres 1
  • Column 19:  Rye in produce in bushels 18
  • Column 20: Peas – acre:  6
  • Column 21:  Peas in produce in bushels 100
  • Column 26: Indian corn in acres 3/4
  • Column 27:  Indian corn produce in bushels 110

The above list is done to the best of my ability.  My copy of the agricultural census is very dark and out of focus.

I move ahead to the 1871 Canadian Census and find no Alexander John McDonell living but I do find a A. H. W Donell on Allumette Island age 74 (born in 1797) in Ontario, widowed and living with descendants of my Alexander John McDonell specifically Jennette Catherine McDonald whose first husband was Angus John McDonald?  I featured her family in the post dated:   October 20, 2011 “Jennette Catherine McDonell & Her Two Marriages!”

My dad, Keith’s, great grandparents are definitely a puzzle yet to be unravelled.  Let’s hope I am successful in figuring this all out on my trip that is coming up soon!


Robert R. and C. Catherine McDonald Family

December 3, 2011

Robert Roland McDonell/McDonald, a son of Duncan and Elizabeth (Betsie) McDonell married Celina Catherine Gray on the 4th of April 1910 in the St. Alphonsus Church in Chapeau, Pontiac County, Quebec.  The sources will be listed at the bottom of this post.  Remember to click on the picture to make it bigger and then the back button to return to this post.

Ronald and Catherine’s Marriage 1910

Robert was born 14 January 1872 in the Chapeau/Chichester area and baptized the 26th of March 1872.  The baptism is under the name of “Donald,” while the marriage was under the name of “Ronald.” So there was some confusion about his name.

Celina or as she preferred to be called Catherine was born 12 October 1887, baptized 23 October 1887 and died the 15th of September 1941 in Minneapolis, Hennepin Co., Minnesota.  Her parents were Alexander Francis Gray and Catherine [Alphonsine] Maloney.

Page 1 – Birth of Celina Catherine Gray

Page 2 Birth Celina Catherine Gray

Robert had already migrated to Minnesota and so after their marriage they made the move complete. Robert had established himself in the Park Rapids area of Minnesota and owned a pool hall.  The story is his new wife made him sell it. They moved to the Bovey area of Minnesota for a while.  After Catherine’s death in 1941, Robert migrated to Oregon but eventually moved onto California were he died in 1965.

Robert and Catherine had 3 children.

(1) Living born 1919 in Minnesota and currently living in the US with her husband and has 3 grown children.  The compiler has had the honor of knowing them and two of their three grown children. The compiler of this blog had visited them this past June.  They are a amazing family: http://massmeanderings.blogspot.com/2011/06/adventures-in-carmel-ca-cousins-70th.html

(2) Vincent Lawrence McDonald born 1922 in Bovey, Itasca Co., Minnesota and died suddenly in 2002 in Maryland. Vincent was married and had several children and grandchildren.

Vincent

(3) Dorothy Mae’s birth is not known at this time but apparently she died about 1925.  I don’t believe she lived very long.

A great deal of what I, the compiler of this blog, know about this family has been shared by the living descendants.  So any further information about this family can be obtained by contacting me through the comments or through the Compiler information page at the top of this blog.

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Sources

Marriage:  Baptisms, Marriages and Burial Records, St. Alphonsus Catholic Church, Chapeau, Pontiac County, Quebec, FHL#2030662, 1899-1920, M5 Ronald McDonald & Celina Catherine Gray, April 4, 1910.

Marriage:  Marriages Du Comte De Pontiac 1836-1973, Pub. No. 26, pg. 357 #6921 McDonald, Ronald (Duncan & Eliza Sauve) 4/4/1910 to Celina Catherine Gray (Alex Gray & Alphon. Maloney.

Baptism, Marriage & Burial Records, St. Alphonsus Catholic Church, Chapeau, Pontiac County, Quebec, FHL#1029798, 1859-1876 including index, Donald McDonald born to Duncan and Elizabeth Sauve McDonald. 14 Jan, 1872 and baptized 26 March 1872.

Baptism, Marriage & Burial Records, St. Alphonsus Catholic Church, Chapeau, Pontiac County, Quebec, birth of Celina Catherine Gray 12 Oct. 1887 and baptised 23 Oct. 1887, Ancestry.com.

Death Certificate #21943, Sept. 15, 1941 for Catherine McDonald, Minnesota State Dept. of Health, Division of Birth & Death and Vital Records.  Can be obtained from the Minnesota Historical Society or on FHL#2243140 Death Certificates #12719-23458.  Died in Minneapolis, Hennepin Co., Minnesota on Sept. 15, 1941. Usual place of residence was Bovey, Itasca Co., Minnesota. No SS#, Female, white, married to Robert McDonald, age 70, date of birth Dec 12, 1889, age 51, 11, 3 months. Occupation is housewife. Born in Canada. Father is Alexander Gray, born in Canada and mother is Catherine Maloney, also born in Canada. The informant is Ray Strick, Clerk, transcribed from hospital records. Burial at Bovey, Minn on 9/15/1941. Alfred L. Oahu, [Nelandson] Funeral Home. Died of a carcinoma of the esophagus and other conditions. She died at the University of Minnesota Hospital attended by a Howard Hall.  (Note the difference of 2 years in her birth date from the records of the church.)

Descendants of Duncan McDonald, by Sister Teresita, 16 Sep. 2001 and various personal emails.


Duncan McDonell and Elizabeth Sauve!

November 10, 2011

Duncan McDonell, a son of Alexander John and Ellen (McPherson) McDonell, was born about 1842 in Lower Canada which refers to Quebec.  He married Elizabeth Sauve on the 27th of February 1865 at the St. Alphonsus Church.  Elizabeth was born about 1846/47 per census information.  (#M6, FHL#1029798)

Her parents were probably Clement Sauve and Marie Blandon but this is not for certain because the marriage record of Duncan and Elizabeth housed at the St. Alphonsus church does not list the couples’ parents like the majority of the records of that church.

Duncan McDonell died the 6th of May 1910 and was buried in the St. Alphonsus Cemetery on 8 May 1910 (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records #1311).  Elizabeth died about 1924.

There are descendants who are living and the compiler has had the honor of visiting with them and getting to know them.  They are my father Keith’s cousins.  A family tree was supplied by one of the living cousin’s so some of the following information came from her and I do not know where she obtained her information.  The compiler of this post and blog has done some research on the Duncan McDonell family but not in-depth, so it is strongly advised that you use the information descendant chart as a guide only.

According to my cousin, Duncan and Elizabeth (Bettsie) McDonell had 15 children?

(1) Mary Elizabeth McDonell born 29 July 1865, baptized the 30th of July 1865.  (#B66, FHL#1029798).  Mary Elizabeth did not marry.  She does appear in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census (See census below).

(2) John McDonell born 25 July 1866, baptized the 29th of July 1866. (#B82, FHL#1029798).  John appears in the 1871 census as 4 years old.  A John M. is found in the 1881 census also 4 years old?  This means the 2nd John may have been born in 1877?

(3) Rose Ann Ellen McDonell born 12 May 1868, baptized 9 June 1868.  (#B51, FHL#1029798).  She may have married a Thomas William Leahey and had at least one child:  Willietta Leahy.  She appears in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.

(4) Alexander Clement McDonell born 1870 and died 28 March 1892 and was buried 30 March 1892.  He may have had a nickname of “Clemo.”  (#1332. pg. 90, #1332 Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Registrations)

(5) Robert Roland McDonell born the 14th of January, 1872, baptized on the 26th of March 1872 (#B34, FHL#1029798) and died the 30th of January 1965 in California.  He married a Celina Catherine Gray on 4 April 1910 (#M3, pg. 67 FHL#2030662) and they migrated to Minnesota.  Robert and Catherine will be further discussed in a future post. Catherine’s parents were Alexander Francis Gray and Catherine Alponsine Maloney.  There is some confusion about Ronald’s name.  He may have been called “Donald.”  He appears in the 1881 and 1891 census.

(6) Euralia McDonell born in December of 1873, baptized 22 December 1873. (#B73, FHL#1029798).  She appears in the 1881 and 1891 census but her name is spelled very oddly.

(7) Anonymous McDonell died 15 Sep 1875, buried 16 Sep, 1875  (#1307, pg. 89 Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records).

(8) Theresa Jane McDonell born 1 January 1876, baptized 16 January 1876. (#B6, FHL#1304675).  It is said she never married.   She appears in the 1881 and 1891 census.

(9) Ambrose  McDonell born about 1877 in Quebec.  Might have married Gray Annie McCarthy and had children. He does not appear in the 1881 census but he does in the 1891?

(10) James McDonell born 3 August 1879 (#B51, FHL#1304675).  James appears in the 1881 and 1891 census.

(11) Aimee McDonell born after 1879 and may have married a man by the name of Cecil.  This child does not appear in any census with the family or does any record of marriage or death appear?

(12) George Eugene McDonell born 8 May 1881, baptized 26 May 1881 (#B44, FHL#1304675) and died 1 December 1909 and was buried on 3 December 1909.  (#1314, Pg. 89 Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records.) George appears in the 1891 and 1901 census with the family.

(13) Marcella McDonell born 26 April 1883.  (#B13, FHL#1304675).  Marcella appears in the 1891 and 1901 census.

(14) Susan Mary Harriett McDonell born 16 August 1887, baptized 20 September 1887 (#B67, FHL#1304675).  She was  buried 23 March 1914.  (#1319, pg. 89, Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records ).  Elizabeth, her mother, was 40 years old at this child’s birth?

(15) Steven/Stephen McDonell born about 1890 and died 18 May 1955.  (#A430, pg. 19 Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records)  He married a Mary Lepine on the 25th of April 1917.  She was the daughter of Oliver Lepine and Helene Ranger.   (#M7, pg. 52, FHL#2030662).  Also listed in the book: Marriages Du Comte De Pontiac 1836-1973.  Elizabeth, his mother, would have been 43 years old by the time Steven was born, so this might be stretching things; however, the census for 1891 has a Steven listed with the family.

Stephen and Mary (Lepine) McDonald had 11 children.  Some of these children may still be living so I have edited the information and since I cannot compare to the census realize this is very rough:

(1) Mary E. M. McDonald born 17 September 1918 and died about 1920.  (#B53 FHL#2030662, pg. 47).

(2) Mary S.C. McDonald baptized 16 February 1920.  Mary may have married a Winkle.

(3) Jean McDonald born May 1922 and died in the summer of 1998.  She may have married a Peaver.

(4) Twin – Cecil McDonald b. unknown, died March 1945.

(5) Twin – Lorina McDonald b. unknown, died  March 1945.

(6) Irene McDonald b. unknown, died 1923.  May have married a Heatherington

(7) Wilbert McDonald  born 1925, died 1989.  He may have married a Fleury.

(8) Kempton G. McDonald born 1928.  Married a Todd and have five children.

(9) Helen birth unknown, may have married a  Chase/Caisgrain.

(10) Renia born 1931 may have married a Calhoun.

(11) Shirley born 14 March 1934 and may have married a Balinger and had one daughter.

UPDATE 6/20/2013 – I did not include Joseph McDonald who appears in the 1901 Census about 3 years old.

(16)  Joseph M. McDonell born 3 April 1898 (suspect date) , Quebec, he married Clara Alphonse Laplante daughter of John and Alphonsine Lecuyer, on 9 Aug. 1924 at the Immaculate Conception, Massey, Sudbury, Ontario (provided by cousins June 2013).

Duncan appears in the 1861 census with his family and sister Mary, Keith’s grandmother.  That census has been featured in the post dated:  November 11, 2010 “Mary McDonell, Archie’s Future Bride – 1861!

Please consult the census pages for more details on the family for the following is just a short summary.

The 1871 Canadian Census has Duncan and Elizabeth building a family:

Duncan McDonell is 28 years old, Scotch background, a laborer, and married. Dwelling location 76, house #15/16. Next is Elizabeth, 26 years old, French, married. Mary Elizabeth 5 yrs., John 4 yrs., Rose Ellen, 2 yrs., Alexander 1 yr. All Scottish. All born in Quebec and all Catholic.  Source:  1871 Canadian Census, Chichester Twp., district 91, So. Pontiac, Film #0493443, pg. 22″

The 1881 Canadian Census reveals more of the Duncan and Elizabeth McDonell family:

Line 9, 98, 101, McDonell, Duncan, M. age 39, Catholic, Scottish, laborer, Elizabeth, F, age 25, Catholic, French. Mary, F, age 15. Rose Ellen, F, age 12. Alexander, M, age 11. Ronald, M, age 9. [Nanania], F, age 7. Teresa, F, age 5, John, M, age 4. James, M, age 2. All Catholic, and all born in Quebec. Source:  1881 Canadian Census, Pontiac Co., District 98, pg. 27, Ancestry.com.

The 1891 Canadian Census gives the following information:

 McDonald, Duncan, M, 49 yrs, Married, Quebec?, parents born in Ont. both, farm, labourer. Elizabeth, F, 46 years, Married, wife, born in Ont, French Canadian, parents both born in Ont.. Elizabeth, 26, daughter, born in Quebec, parents born in Quebec. Rosa, 23 yrs old, daughter, born in Quebec, parents born in Quebec. Clement, male, 21 yrs old, son born in Quebec, laborer. Ronald, male, 19 yrs old, son, born in Quebec, laborer. [Vrnia], female, 17 years old, daughter, born in Quebec. Teresa, female, 16 yrs. old, daughter born in Quebec. Ambrose, male, 14 yrs old, son born in Quebec. James, male, 12 yrs. old, son, born in Quebec. George, male, 10 yrs. old, son, born in Quebec. 2nd pg. McDonald, Marcia, Female, 8 yrs. old, daughter born in Quebec. R.C. (Roman Catholic). Susan, female, 3 yrs old., daughter born in Quebec. Steven, male, one yr. old, son born in Quebec. Source:  1891 Canadian Census, Chichester, Pontiac Co., Quebec, Canadian Film #T6413 pg. 1-30.

The 1901 Canadian Census gives more detail but is very hard to read, here is a summary.

 Line 4, 05, [92], McDonald, Duncan, M, Head, [10 Mois 1862] age 58, married, laborer, Elizabeth F, wife, M, 14 Sept. 1845, age 55. Elizabeth F, daughter, S, 27 July 1866 age 34. Ambrose, M, son, S, 28 Jany 1876, age 24, laborer. James, M, son, S, 4 May 1878, age 22. George, M, son, S, 8 April 1880, age 20, Marcellan F, daughter, S, 24 April 1882, age 18. Susan, F, daughter, S, 15 Aug 1886, age 14. Stephen, M, son, S, 29 Jan 1889, age 11. Joseph M, son, S, 3 April 1898. All born in Quebec, all Scottish.  Source:  1901 Canadian Census, Quebec, Pontiac Co., Chichester Twp. pg. 12, District 2, S. District 180?  Reading Duncan’s birth information was very difficult.  I do not think he was born in 1862 more like 1842 since he appears in the 1861 census.

By 1911 Duncan has died and Elizabeth is alone with one of her son’s and a grandson and they are listed as Irish?

Line 23, 62, 64, McDonald, Elizabeth, Chichester, F, Head, W, Sept, 1846, age 65, Irish, no occupation, Stephen, M, Son, Jan 1890, age 21, laborer. Joseph, M, grandson, April 1899, age 12, no occupation. Source: 1911 Canadian Census, Quebec, Pontiac Co., Chichester Twp., pg. 8, 185 Pontiac, S. Dist. No. 6, ED #1.  I do not know who Joseph’s parents are!

Based on the information presented it becomes apparent that Duncan and Elizabeth may have a lot of children but there really wasn’t that many descendants.  Eight of the children did not have children.  There are three of the children that are questionable and more research is needed, so that leaves 4 children that had descendants:  Robert,  Rose, Ambrose and Steven.  Now the estate file for Duncan has not been consulted and that might reveal more of the family relationships.  Land records have also not been consulted at this time.

Update 6/20/2013:  I am not happy with the list of Duncan’s children. Elizabeth is too old to have some of them. So I need to revisit this and confirm my findings

Note:  Please note that the name Sauve may have an accent over the last letter:  Sauve´. There are other possible spellings of the name like “Sauvier” and/or “Thauvier.”


The Hugh McDonell & Ellen McDonald Family

October 27, 2011

I got  a little excited about Jennette and jumped to her before sharing about her older brother Hugh McDonell also a son of Alexander John and Ellen (McPherson) McDonell.

Hugh was born about 1834 in Upper Canada.  He married Ellen McDonald on 24 May 1858 in the St. Alphonsus church. Ellen’s parents were John McDonald and Catherine McGuire.

Source:  Quebec Baptisms, Marriage and Burial Indexes from the St. Alphonsus Catholic Church FHL#1029797, #M5. Also at Ancestry.com under Quebec Church Records.

They had maybe five (5) children:

    • Andrew Laughlin McDonell born 4 November 1859, baptized 15 November 1859 (#B73 FHL#1029798)
    • Jessy McDonell born about 1860. (This is not confirmed.)
    • Ellen McDonell born 1 February 1862, baptized 11 February 1862  (#B12, FHL#1029798)
    • Alexander McDonald born about 1862 and died 24 May 1877, buried 26 May 1877  (#1320, pg. 89, Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records book)
    • Helena McDonell born about 1872  and died 6 March 1875 (#B85, pg. 24, Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records book).

The two strongest candidates for the children of this couple are Ellen and Alexander for they are on Nellie’s chart and the chart that Elaine Brown shared with me.  Andrew? was added from the St. Alphonsus Records while Jessy is a big maybe and unfortunately I cannot figure out why I have added this child?  I did a lot of this work on the family ten years ago so I am having to revisit and double-check and re-source my records.  So please use this as a guide.


Jennette Catherine McDonell & Her Two Marriages!

October 20, 2011

Jennette was a challenge because the priests changed the spelling of last names of individuals according their individual preferences so there were many variations of the surname McDonell/McDonald,McDonnell, etc.  To make matters even harder they changed the spelling of Jennette’s first name as well.  You will notice different spellings for first and last names for individuals.  It is best to keep and open mind!! (See source summary at the end of this post.)

Jennette Catherine McDONELL was born about 1836 to Alexander John and Ellen (McPHERSON) McDONELL. She died 2 September 1916 and was buried 4 September 1916 in the St. Alphonsus Church cemetery in Chapeau (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#A76, Row 3, pg. 4, and #1315, pg. 89).

 Jennette married twice, first to Angus John McDONALD and then to Thomas PAYNE.  

I.  Marriage No. 1:  Jennette and Angus John McDONALD were married on the 26th of September 1851 in the St. Alphonsus Church. Angus John’s father was Angus McDONELL (note the spelling?).

Sources for their marriage are:
1) FHL#1029797, #M10 St. Alphonsus Church Records.  
2) Marriage Du Comte De Pontiac 1836-1973 FHL Book#971.4215 K29.

Angus and Jeanette had (8) eight children during their marriage and many descendants. 

1.  Margaret McDONALD - may or may not be part of this family. 

2. Sara Catherine McDONALD - may or may not be part of this family.

3.  Jane Wilhelmina McDONALD was born 3 September 1852 in Chapeau and was baptized the 21st of September 1852. (#B83, FHL#1029797).  She died about 1902 and is buried with her husband in the St. Alphonsus Church cemetery.  (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records… #A220, pg. 10).

Jane married a Daniel J. KENNEDY who was born about 1848 and died around 1923 in the Chapeau area.  He and Jane are buried in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…,#A220, pg. 10). 

Jane and Daniel had a very large family of eleven (11) children: 

a) Mary Marcella KENNEDY (no birth information found) was married to John BUTLER on 19 July 1893 (#M6, page 136, FHL#1304675).  John’s parents were Patrick BUTLER and Mary HAYDEN.

Mary and John had five children: 

1) Joseph Herbert BUTLER was born 1 May 1894 and baptized 13 May 1894 (#B36, FHL#1304675).

2) John Cecil BUTLER was born 3 January 1896 and baptized 13 January 1896 (#B4, FHL#1304675).

3) Edward Leslie BUTLER was born 18 November 1897 and baptized 20 November 1897 (#B45, FHL# 1304675).

4) M. Francis Elsie BUTLER was baptized 16 October 1904 (#B70, pg. 242, FHL#2030662).  

5) Mary Ellen BUTLER baptized 19 January 1915 (#B5, FHL#2030662)

b) Kenneth KENNEDY – See Nellie’s chart.

c) Clara Anne KENNEDY (no birth information) was married to James S. RYAN on 22 August 1898 at the St. Alphonsus Church (#M12, FHL#1304675). James Ryan’s parents were James RYAN and Catherine McGUIRE.

Clara and James also had a large family of seven children: 

1)  Daniel James RYAN born 5 June 1899, baptized 9 June 1899  (#B46, #1304675)

2) Catherine Jane RYAN born 23 March 1901, baptized 31 March 1901 (#B19, FHL#1304675).

3) Elizabeth Ellen RYAN baptized 3 July 1908 (#B58, pg. 414, FHL#2030662).

4) Mary Helen RYAN baptized 27 December 1910 (#B96 pg. 491, FHL#2030662).

5) Maria Latita RYAN baptized 16 January 1913 (#B1, pg. 554, FHL#2030662). May have married a Barny Robshaw?

6) Patrick Joseph Edward RYAN baptized 18 July 1915 (#B36, pg. 8, FHL#2030662).

7) Rita Ethel RYAN baptized 12 May 1918 (#B24, pg. 44, FHL#2030662).

d) Edward Kennedy – See Nellie’s chart.

e) Alexander Ernest KENNEDY (no birth information found) married Mary Catherine KEARNEY on the 11th of September 1906. (#M15, pg. 327, FHL#2030662).

f) Lena KENNEDY – She may have been a nun.

g) Marg Ethel KENNEDY was born about 1878 (Cemetery Inscription and Burials Records…, #B98,Section B, Row 5, pg. 24) and died around 1961. 

She married a Thomas John POUPORE born about 1874 and who died around 1956.  The date of their marriage was 11 September 1901 (#M19, FHL#2030662). 

Ethel and Thomas had 4 children:

1) Lawrence Kennedy POUPORE born 19 Dec 1902 and baptized 25 Dec 1902 (#B91, FHL#2030662).

2) Ryburn Alexander POUPORE was baptized 1 April 1905 (#B19, pg. 257, FHL#2030662). Ryburn may have married a M. Mildred BURNIE per a note on his baptismal record.

3) Joseph Elmer POUPORE was baptized 17 Jan 1911 (#B8, pg. 493, FHL#2030662).

4) Mary Catherine Genette POUPORE was born 22 Dec 1915 (#B70, pg. 13, FHL#2030662).  She may have married an Edward Thomas Edmund Gallagher?  She was confirmed 13 May 1927. 

h) Angus Gordon McDonald KENNEDY was born 29 May 1882, baptized 11 June 1882, died 1903 (#B47, FHL#1304675). (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#A220).  He is buried with his parents.  He may have drowned?  Interesting note:  Archibald McDonell was listed as a sponsor of this child.  He is my great-grandfather.

i) Elizabeth Anne KENNEDY was born 11 October 1885 and baptized 20 October 1885.  She may have been a nurse (#B104, FHL1304675).

j) John Allan KENNEDY was born 29 February 1888 and baptized 4 March 1888 (#B14, FHL1304675).  He married a Mary Teresa POUPORE on the 10th of October 1916.  Her parents were Andrew POUPORE and Marguerite VERNE (#M17, pg. 24, FHL2030662).

k) Mary Edna Loretta KENNEDY was born the 21st of April 1895 and baptized on the 28th of April 1895 (#B3, pg. 217, #1304675).  She married an Andrew KENNEDY on the 13th of September 1922 per a note written next to her baptismal record.

 4. John McDONALD born 22 March 1854, baptized 6 April 1854  according to his birth/baptismal records (#B14, FHL#1029797).  There is a burial record for a John McDONELL who died 18 March 1854 in the Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records book #1323 p. 89.  These dates don’t work but the parents are Angus and Jeanette?  Maybe the year is off?

 5. Ellen McDONALD born 27 November 1855, baptized 8 December 1855 (#B69, FHL#1029797). Ellen died 29 January 1900 and was buried 31 January 1900 (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records book…#A61, 1313).

Ellen is stated to have married a James L. FERGUSON (Furgeson) and had six children by him.  They are listed on Nellie’s chart. 

1) Aneas FERGUSON

 2) John FERGUSON

 3) Jenny FERGUSON

4) Alma FERGUSON

5) Ellen Elizabeth FERGUSON born 20 August 1885, baptized 9 September 1885 (#B86, FHL#1304675).

6) Joseph Angus Alymer FERGUSON born 16 June 1888, baptized 11 July 1888, (#B62, FHL#1304675).  He died 22 July 1903 and was buried the 24 of July 1903 (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial  Records…#587, pg. 65).

6.  Elizabeth Anne McDONALD was born about 1858 and she died 31 March 1882 and was buried 2 April 1882 (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#1322, pg. 89).

Elizabeth married an Edward POUPORE (alternate spelling Edouard Paupare).  Edward was the son of William POUPORE and Susan McADAMS. 

Edward and Elizabeth were married on the 14 of July 1879 (#M5 FHL #1304675).  This couple is also listed in the Marriages Du Comte De Pontiac 1836-173 FHL Book 971.4215 K29. 

There seems to be some confusion regarding Elizabeth’s middle name.  I have seen “Jane” and “Anne” used.  I am lending toward the “Anne.”

The children were:

(1) Mary Ellen POUPORE who married a Daniel Joseph KENNEDY on 15 October 1907.  She might have had a nickname of “Mayme?” (#M23, FHL#2030662, p. 379).

(2) Elizabeth Anne POUPORE born about Mar 1882, died 8 August 1882 and was buried 9 August 1882 (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#1336, pg. 90).

7. Elenar Catherine McDONALD was born 1 September 1860 and baptized 2 September 1860 (#B74, FHL#1029798).

8. Mary McDONALD born 9 March 1862 and was baptized 20 March 1862 (#B35, FHL#1029798).

Angus John McDONALD died on the 21 May 1866 and is buried in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#A76 Row 3, pg. 4, #1307).  

II.  Marriage No. 2:  Jennette remarried to a Thomas Payne and had one at least one child with him.  I did not find a marriage record for this couple.

1. O’Kane O’Kain Cameron PAYNE was born April 1869 and baptized 10 April 1869 (#B29, FHL#1029798). 

O’Kain married Catherine O’BRIEN b. about 1875 (no record found at this time) and had six children: 

(1) Mary Helen PAYNE was born 2 April 1901, baptized 6 April 1901 (#B22, FHL#2030662). She died 9 June 1917 and was buried June 1917. (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records… #1565)

(2) Thomas Cameron PAYNE was baptized on 3 May 1906 (#B62, FHL#2030662).

(3) Lincoln John PAYNE was baptized 5 April 1908.  (#B21, FHL#2030662, pg. 396)

(4) Edward Allen PAYNE was baptized 9 January 1910.  (#B3, #2030662, pg. 400)

(5) Janet Catherine PAYNE was baptized 13 April 1913 (#B16, FHL#2030662, pg. 559)

(6) George O’Kain PAYNE was baptized 26 December 1920 (#B95, pg. 491, FHL #2030662).

Source:  1891 Canadian Census, Chichester, Pontiac Co., Quebec, T6413, pg. 1-30. Family 10, Payne, Thomas, 54 yrs. old, married, born in Ont., father born in England, mother born in Scotland, Roman Catholic, farmer.  Janet, female, 59 yrs old. married, widowed, born in Ont., father and mother born in Scotland, R.C.  O’Kain, male, 22 years old, not married, born in Quebec, parents both born in Ont. laborer. Mary Poupore, female 10 years old,  born in Quebec, parents born in Ont.

Update:  In the book:  “For Singing and Dancing and all Sorts of Fun,” by I. Sheldon Posen.  There is a picture of O’Kain Payne on the page between 62 and 63.  His name is spelled O’Kain by the author.

Thomas Payne was born about 1838 and died 6 June 1907 and is buried in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery (Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records…#A257, pg. 12).

Attached is a PDF of the descendants of Jeanette McDonell without the sources.  Please note that Thomas Payne was her 2nd husband and Angus McDonald was her first:  JennetteMcDonald2011

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Source Summary 

1)  Aunt Nellie’s Charts – see the post on this blog dated July 21, 2011 “Nellie’s Charts – Her Mother Mary McDonell’s Family,” to obtain a copy of Nellie’s chart.

2) Elaine Brown Descendancy Chart 2003.  Elaine’s chart had some differences but on the whole it was very close to Aunt Nellie’s chart for this side of the family.  Elaine shared this with me in private but I am sure she would be open to sharing with others if they contact here through her email at her Burns-Grier website at:  http://www.personainternet.com/etbrown/burns.htm  Just let her know why you are contacting her. 

3)  Canadian Census found at the Family History Library (FHL) or at Ancestry.  Additional census research needs to be done on each of these family units. 

4) St. Alphonsus Church Records online at the Family History Library website.  Choose Quebec for location, go deeper to Pontiac County and choose church records.   

5) The post on this blog dated March 23, 2010 “Records of the St. Alphonsus Church,” gives details of this collection of church records from Elaine’s book and a little of my input. 

5) Ancestry.com’s Church Records collection (Drouin) for Quebec at their website. 

6) “Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records of the St. Alphonsus Church..,”  compiled by Elaine Brown available online for sale at: http://www.personainternet.com/etbrown/alphonse.htm 

7) Marriage Du Comte Du Comte De Pontiac 1836-1973 in book or CD-ROM format.  World Vital Records online has a copy but they will charge you.  WorldCat may help you to locate a copy of this book near you in a public archive.  

NOTE:  Please be advised that I studied the St. Alphonsus Church registers up to about 1920 and stopped.  I was trying to establish that my Aunt Nellie’s charts were accurate and that these families did exist.  I was more interested in learning about Archibald and Mary McDonell my great grandparents who left Chapeau and Chichester about 1901 and migrated to Minnesota.  I went a little beyond the date of 1901 up to about 1920 to just see the possibilities.  When I first studied these films I did not do a great job of sourcing them to my Legacy database, so I have been spending the time cleaning up and hopefully, I have correctly assigned the sources to the person and the dates are correct.  I would suggest that if you are a descendant of Jennette and Angus John or Thomas Payne please review these films and sources carefully. 

Take the above information on these families as a guide only!

Oh, if you are a cousin, please contact me, I would love to meet you!!!


The Ronald McDonell & Janet McDonell Family

September 29, 2011

My trip to Ohio was successful and is now completed. See the blog:  Solomon Goss of Fearing Township in Ohio for a discussion about the Goss family and the  trip.

http://sgossfamily.wordpress.com/

I return now to discuss the children of Alexander John and Ellen (McPherson) McDonell who were the parents of Ronald McDonell born approximately 1825 in Upper Canada and died 15 September 1862.  He is buried in the St. Alphonsus Catholic Church Cemetery in Chapeau, Pontiac County, Quebec.

Ronald married Janet McDonald daughter of John McDonald and Flora W. McLellan.  They were married the 28th of June 1852 in the St. Alphonsus Church in Chapeau.  Family History film #1029797, #17.

Below is the burial information for Ronald.

Source:  Baptism, Marriage and Burial Index, St. Alphonsus Church #M17, FHL#1029797, Page 90, #1347, Burial Registrations.  The book “St. Alphonsus of Ligouri, Chapeau, Allumette Island, Pontiac County, Quebec, Cemetery Inscriptions and Burial Records,” by Elaine Brown features this transcription of the tombstone(s).

http://www.personainternet.com/etbrown/alphonse.htm

“B84, pg. 24 – My home is above/sacred/to the memory of/Rol. MCDONALD/died/Sep 13, 1862/AE 37 yrs/also/his children/John R./died/Sep 9, 1862/AE 7 yrs/3 mos/ John A./died/AE 2 yrs & 3 mos. and /Donald J./died/Sept 5, 1862/AE 9 mos. ”

I have not found Ronald, nor Janet in the 1861 Canadian Census, but then there are a lot of Ronald McDonell’s and he may have been out working in the woods and enumerated separately or missed?

Ronald and Janet had the following children:

  • Ellen McDonell born about 1853.  Ellen married a James Welch.  They had 2 children that we know about: Frank and Mary Catherine was born 20 July 1876 in Pontiac Co., Quebec, christened baptized 27 July 1876 at the St. Alphonsus Church and died 29 July 1913 in Pembrook, Renfrew Co., Ontario.  Mary Catherine Welch was the wife of George Burns.  I refer you to my friend Elaine Brown’s website about the Burns family for more information on this family.

http://www.personainternet.com/etbrown/burns.htm

  • John Ronald McDonell born 1855 and died 1862 (See above burial information) was born 6 July 1855, christened baptized 12 July 1855, died 10 September 1862 and was buried on September 11, 1862.  All recorded at the St. Alphonsus Church.
  • Alexander McDonell was born 19 January 1857 and christened baptized the 25 of January 1857 at the St. Alphonsus Church.  He was living in 1871 with his mother.
  • John Archibald McDonell was born April 1861, christened baptized 15 Apr 1860, died the 3rd of September 1862 and was buried the following day on 4 September 1862.  All recorded at the St. Alphonsus Church.  The name “John Archibald” is the same as the name given to Archibald and Mary’s son John who was usually called “Jack?” brother to Ronald my grandfather.
  • Donald James McDonell was born about 1862 and died on 5 September 1862 and was buried on 6 September 1862. Recorded at the St. Alphonsus Church.
  • Janet McDonell no information.

Some illness hit this family and apparently Ellen and Alexander were the only ones that survived of the children of Ronald and Janet.  Ronald died and his widow Janet continued to reside and live in the Chapeau/Chichester area.  I have no death date for Janet but I did find her living in the 1871 Canadian Census.

1871 Canadian Census for Quebec, Pontiac County, Chichester pg. 16, 51 and 52, Jenet McDonell age 38 born Quebec, R. Catholic, Scotish, labourer, widowed.  Ellen, F, age 17, Alexander, M, age 14. 

If you are a descendant of Janet/Jenet and Ronald McDonell, I would love to talk with you.  Leave a message by clicking on the comment button or contact me through the above Compiler tab.

UPDATE:  As of June 24, 2013 I have realized with a little help from a visitor to this blog that Janet married again after Ronald’s death.  I did not share that piece of information when I original wrote this post.  She remarried about 1870 or 1871 to Thomas Poupore Sr.  This piece of information came to me from a manuscript about Ronald’s sister Jennette written by another cousin who is a Kennedy descendant.  I met him on my trip last Spring 2012.  Thomas Poupore Sr. son with Janet in 1874 was Thomas John Poupore who married Margaret Ethel Kennedy daughter of Daniel James Kennedy and Jan Wilhelmina McDonnell a daughter of Jennette Catherine McDonald and Angus John McDonald, another sister of Ronald and my great grandmother Mary McDonell.


Alexander John McDonell & Ellen McPherson’s Family

August 5, 2011

Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson are the great great grandparents of Keith.  They are his grandmother Mary’s father and mother.

Alexander John has been discussed in past posts.  He appears in the 1861 Canadian Census for Pontiac County, Quebec with several of his children: Mary, Rachel, Duncan and Finley.  In this census it states that he was born in Upper Canada (Ontario) and that he was 66 years old which means he was born about 1795.  This census also implies that Ellen, his wife, died before 1861 for she is not listed with the family?

The burial location of Alexander John McDonell and his wife Ellen McPherson is not known at this time.  They do not seem to appear in the St. Alphonsus church records.

Based on Nellie’s and Miriam’s charts featured in past post, they had the following children:

1.  Alexander McDonell was a hotel keeper and was born before 1825.  He married Margaret (Maggie) MacDonald and they had three children:  John, Winnifred and Duncan.  He does not seem to appear in the St. Alphonsus Church Records and the Canadian census for1851 and 1861 does not list him or Maggie for the Pontiac County area??

2.  Ronald McDonell was born about 1825 and died 15 Sep 1862 in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery and is buried in the church cemetery.  He married 28 June 1852 (St. Alphonsus Church records) Janet who was born about 1833 in Upper Canada.  They had 6 children.  In a future post this couple will be further discussed.

3.  John McDonell born about 1825 and died 22 January 1860 and is buried in the St. Alphonsus Church cemetery. He married Christiana on 7 October 1848 in Chapeau.   John and Christiana (Christy) didn’t have any children recorded in the St. Alphonsus Church records even though they were married 12 years before his death.  Marriage Source:  Quebec Baptisms, Marriages and Burial Index, St. Alphonsus Church Records, #M10, FHL#1029797 and also at Ancestry.com under the Drouin Collection.  A search of the 1851 and 1861 census does not reveal a John or Christiana in the Pontiac area?

4.  Hugh McDonell was born about 1834 in Upper Canada but his death is unknown.  He married 24 May 1858 (St. Alphonsus Church Records) to Ellen.  Ellen was born about 1835 in Lower Canada and died 20 June 1920 and is buried in the St. Alponsus Church Cemetery.  They had 5 children.  This couple will be featured in a later post.

5.  Catherine (Kitty) McDonell  was born about 1835.  She married a John Fraser 7 October 1855 (St. Alphonsus Church Records)  and they had three children:  William, Ella and Lincoln.  Ella married a Fred Fielder.  Again Canadian census information does not give much information on this family.  John’s parents were John Frazer and Mary Kennedy.  Marriage Source:  Quebec Baptisms, Marriages and Burial Index, St. Alphonsus Church Records, #M7, FHL#1029797 and also at Ancestry.com under the Drouin Collection.

6.  Jennette (Jennie) Catherine McDonell was born about 1836 and died 2 September 1916 buried on the 4th of September in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery.  Jennette’s story is very interesting.  She first married Angus John McDonald (Big Angus) and after his death she remarried to Thomas Payne.  Jennette will be discussed further in a future post.

7.  Rachel McDonell was born about 1838 in Lower Canada and died 8 January 1881.  She is buried in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery.  Rachel was listed in the 1861 census with her sister Mary and father Alexander.  Apparently Rachel did not marry.  Burial Source:  Quebec Baptisms, Marriages and Burial Index, St. Alphonsus Church Records, #1328, FHL#1029797 and also at Ancestry.com under the Drouin Collection.

8.  Mary Elizabeth McDonell, Keith’s grandmother.  Mary and Archibald are featured in many posts of this blog.

9.  Duncan McDonell was born about 1842 in Lower Canada (Quebec) and died 6 May 1910 and is buried in the St. Alphonsus Church Cemetery.  He married Elizabeth Sauve the 27th of February 1865 according to the St. Alphonsus Church records.  They had maybe 15 children?  Duncan and his family will be further discussed in a future post.

10.  Finlay McDonell was born about 1845 in Lower Canada (Quebec).  Nothing more is know about him.  It is possible he migrated further south into Ontario.  Note:  If the census was dated 1861 and he was born 1845 that means that the mother Ellen may have died between these dates?

The Canadian 1861 Census for Rachel states that she was born in Lower Canada.  Duncan and Finlay are indicated as being born in Lower Canada.  Mary McDonell (Keith’s grandmother) gives Upper Canada as her birthplace.  The information I have places her year of birth at 1840.  Her sister Rachel’s birth year is suspect?  Still this implies that the family moved or migrated about 1840 to the Chapeau, Chichester area?

In summary the sources are

More research needs to be done and more sources checked for each of these families such as a land, probate, newspapers, histories and more.  Maybe a trip to Canada is in the future!!!

Clarification:  I refer to Wikipedia’s articles on Upper Canada and Lower Canada to explain these political divisions and the time they were in existence in Canada. So there might be some confusion about birth location such as Duncan and Finlay because it then becomes Canada West and Canada East.  (See link to Upper Canada) Also understand the settlement pattern was very different then and not as expanded and developed as today.  “Upper Canada existed from 26 December 1791 to 10 February 1841 and generally comprised present-day Southern Ontario.”


A Mystery – Roy Macdonnell?

June 30, 2011

In the last post Nellie and Miriam’s Archibald McDonald chart was featured but it raised questions about the parentage of Archibald. 

Miriam's version - Roy???

There are several possibilities regarding Archie’s father and his mother! 

Who is this Roy? Who is Alex Ban Cameron’s daughter?

1.  The first thought is the St. Alphonsus Church records are correct and John and Sarah McDonell are Archie’s parents.

Miriam's version - Roy???

2.  Another possibility is that Nellie didn’t really know and made a guess about her father’s parents.  She did not have the St. Alphonsus Church record of the marriage of Archibald and Mary McDonell.

3. If  John is Archie’s father, it could be John is his real name while “Roy” is a nickname or he is “John Roy” or “Roy John.”  Keith’s family used nicknames and middle names to identify family members.

4.  Since Nellie wrote out these charts in 1932 years after Archie’s death, she could not check with him to verifying information and we could be missing a generation and Roy is Archie’s grandfather and therefore Nellie’s great-grandfather.  John and Sara are her grandparents on her father’s side. 

One thing is clear finding Archie’s family in the Chichester area has been very difficult. 

A burial location for his parents in the area of Chapeau and Chichester has not been found but more research into the cemetery records of the area is needed. 

So far making a connection to even sisters and brothers has yielded little results.  The Canadian census microfilm for the area of Chapeau, Allumette and for that matter Pontiac County, Quebec  have been searched several times and nothing has been discovered to make a connection to Archie.

If the chart is correct and Archie is the youngest of the siblings in this family, then he probably would need to strike out on his own for the inheritance would have passed to his oldest brother?  The laws of inheritance for Canada in the early 1800′s follow the British rules for inheritance.    The lands in the Glengarry area of Ontario had already been divided up and settled by the time Archie reached manhood and even earlier. 

Here is a list of the children of Roy Macdonnell and Alex Ban Cameron’s daughter – see chart in the last post for reference and more details: 

1.  Ronald married a Williams.  He was a farmer.

2.  John married Julia (fr) Tebeau and was a shoemaker.  The chart lists descendants.

3.  Kitty was a spinster and a weaver.

4.  Angus was a blacksmith and married unknown and the chart lists descendants.

5.  Duncan a farmer and married unknown but has descendants.

6. Sarah married a Murphy and went to Denver, CO. 

7.  Archibald – the father of Ronald and grandfather of Keith and Miriam.

The St. Alphonsus Catholic church record states John and Sara McDonell are Archie’s parents.  See the post dated December 3, 2010 “McDonell and McDonell Marriage!”

Let us review Miriam’s notes:

MacDonalds

Miriam writes that she believes Roy Macdonell and Alexander John MacDonald arrived in Canada by 1800.  However when we review the 1861 Canadian Census in my post dated November 11, 2010 “Mary McDonell, Archie’s Future Bride – 1861!” In this post we find a Alexander John living in Chichester with Rachel, Mary and Duncan all living next to Archibald in the 1861 Census.  The census states that Alexander John was born in Upper Canada in 1795.  Upper Canada refers to Ontario not Quebec.   This means that at least one of the parents of Mary and Archie was born in Canada, not Scotland, and we go back even further in time looking for family in Canada.

Miriam goes on to write about her grandfather Archibald and that he grew up in Glengarry, Ontario (See the notes above and study the 2nd paragraph. Click to make it larger and use the back button to return).

Here is a link to the Glengarry GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onglenga/

All the census for Canada 1861 to 1901 show that Archie was born in Canada.  His birth date and location vary with different census, death, burial and other information as much as 5-10 years.  So progress on this side of the family has been slow.

Archibald’s wife Mary McDonell’s side of the chart, which will be featured in a future post, is a treasure filled with families that have lived in the Chichester, Chapeau area and can be traced down to the early 1900′s and further through the St. Alphonsus Church records and in census.


McDonell and McDonell Marriage!

December 3, 2010

Keith’s grandparents, Archibald McDonell and Mary McDonell probably met in the Chichester area of Quebec in Pontiac County.  This town is across the Ottawa River in Quebec and north of Allumette Island.

On April 9, 1861 Mary and Archibald were married at the St. Alphonsus Catholic Church in Chapeau.  Their marriage record is found in the records of that church.   Information on the films for these church records is found at the Family History Library.  I featured them in my post dated March 23, 2010 or find the category to the right  under “St. Alphonsus Catholic Church.”

A. McDonell & M. McDonell Marriage

As you can see by this marriage record both Archibald and Mary were “McDonells.”  This brings forward the question:  Were they cousins?  I do not know for sure.  There were many “McDonells” who settled in Canada.  It was spelled in many different ways:  McDonell, McDonell, McDonald, MacDonald and older versions were Macdonell.  The Catholic priests of the St. Alphonsus church would spell it McDonell and McDonnell etc.

Here is the transcription of this document, as best I can make out:

“St. Alphonse Allumette Island 9 April 1861 after the banns of marriage have beene once published at the [prone] for mass in this mission between Archibald McDonell of this mission son of age of John McDonell and of Sara McDonell on the one part and Mary McDonell of this mission daughter of age of Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson on the other part – a dispensation of two of the banns of marriage have been granted by us in virtue of a power accorded to us by his Lordship the Right Revd Doctor [Guignon] Bishop of Bytown and wherein no impediment have been discovered be the undersigned Priest of this mission have received their mutual consent to marriage and have giving them the mutual benediction at Saint Alphonse Allumette Island on this date aforesaids and on the presence of John McDonell and Rachael McDonell who have not signed.” [       ]Lynch, Priest.

The witnesses are Rachel and we know that name from the 1861 census as a possible sibling of Mary’s.  The other witness is John McDonell and I believe he is Mary’s other sibling but maybe even Archie’s sibling?  For now I will place John with Mary’s family.

I became curious as to the name of the Right Rev’d and found an “Archdiocese of Ottawa” website that has the history of the archdiocese at this link:  http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dotta.html  I cannot find any name at this website that clarifies the name written in the marriage record for the Right Doctor _____ Bishop of Bytown.  So it must be a mispelling?

This marriage record tells me the names of the parents of Archibald and Mary.  Archibald’s parents are named as John and Sara McDonell, while Mary’s parents are given as Alexander John McDonell and Ellen McPherson.

You may be aware or not but “Bytown” is the old name for the city of Ottawa.  This is important when doing searches in the Canadian Census for the earlier years.

Here is an interesting website “Bytown or Bust:” http://www.bytown.net/

An there is also a museum at this link about Bytown:  http://www.bytownmuseum.com/EN/main.html  (this site can be read in French).

This Bytown  chronology looks interesting:  http://www.bytown.net/chronologicalbytown.htm

And of course Wikipedia has something to say:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytown


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